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re: Low Recruit Discipline Prompts Army to Redesign Basic Training
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:40 pm to tigerfan88
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:40 pm to tigerfan88
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Most of them have literally no other options in life
Christ that's an ignorant statement to make.
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:41 pm to Darth_Vader
Let me guess, you were that guy who'd lose his shite over someone having their hands in their pockets on a cold day? 
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:43 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:00 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Where did you get that I shite on the Air Force?
Good grief y’all sure are a sensitive bunch
Good grief y’all sure are a sensitive bunch
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:04 pm to Darth_Vader
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Wrong. Head is covered anytime a soldier is outside
One slight exception to this is when they are in PT uniform
Other than that
to everything you said. I've been in since Nov '88 (will retire in 2 more years) and the product that has been coming out of Basic sine the early 2000's has been less than stellar. For every great Soldier we get, there 4 others that I would want to send back.
The Suede boot has contributed to the lack of discipline and pride in the uniform. Remember polishing your boots everyday so that you didn't look ATFU? I think the army needs to go back to leather boots, Hell even the new dress shoes don't require much maintenance.
PC has infected the Army in an awful way. The Drill SGTs aren't even allowed to break you down and build you into a Soldier. Be careful what you say, you may have a complaint filed against you for hurt feelings. How are the Drill Instructors supposed to do their job with all the PC BS?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:15 pm to ssgrice
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One slight exception to this is when they are in PT uniform
Other than that to everything you said.
You’re exactly right. I still have my old summertime PT uniform, although the shorts are covered in paint now.
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I've been in since Nov '88
Damn. You went in about the same time I did. I enlisted the Spring of ‘88 and arrived at my first duty station in Fulda, Germany in October 88.
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The Suede boot has contributed to the lack of discipline and pride in the uniform. Remember polishing your boots everyday so that you didn't look ATFU? I think the army needs to go back to leather boots,
Still have my tanker boots to this very day. When I die, I’ll be buried in ‘em.
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The Drill SGTs aren't even allowed to break you down and build you into a Soldier
That’s whats wrong. The whole purpose of basic combat training (we called it OSUT) is to tear down the ate-the-frick-up civilian and turn them into a highly trained, motivated, and DISCIPLINED solider ready to be an integral part of a military unit. The fact they don’t do this anymore is what’s wrong with today’s army. Breaks my heart to know what we had back in my day and see what’s been done to it.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:20 pm to Darth_Vader
"Wall to wall counseling" solves a lot.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:33 pm to Darth_Vader
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Darth_Vader
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:33 pm to Korin
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Let me guess, you were that guy who'd lose his shite over someone having their hands in their pockets on a cold day?
In formation, foot to arse an a heart beat.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:35 pm to Darth_Vader
No shite. 
Posted on 2/15/18 at 4:53 pm to Darth_Vader
Went into the Army in the summer of 89, stationed in Hanau. 4/82 FA 3AD
I agree to wtf happened? Is it all PC or has it just gotten soft?
I agree to wtf happened? Is it all PC or has it just gotten soft?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:05 pm to Darth_Vader
Obama's army 
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:10 pm to Darth_Vader
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Still have my tanker boots to this very day. When I die, I’ll be buried in ‘em.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:12 pm to Darth_Vader
It starting going downhill my last year which was 2008 and from what I see now leadership has failed miserably since. Drill Sgts. pulled from AIT, ASVAB waivered retards everywhere now, automatic promotions, general lack of discipline all together. They need to get back to basics and teach rank structure and following orders from superiors without question and allowing NCOs to run the show...
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:27 pm to Clames
Yeah bc kids who are killing it in other areas of life, arts, academics, athletics, entrepreneurship, so often drop all that to go enlist in the army infantry at age 18. You get some who go be officers after college maybe, or try out for special forces. But the best and brightest don’t join the fricking army infantry anymore. They used to maybe, but not in 2018.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 5:28 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:39 pm to tigerfan88
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But the best and brightest don’t join the fricking army infantry anymore.
The best and brightest were never infantry. Y'all do know what Grunt stands for right? General Replacement UNTrained.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 5:56 pm to Dam Guide
What’s that have to do with somebody talking stereotypes like he's lived it?
Honesty it's weird...
"I'm going to make fun of the Air Force because I've seen other branches do it a couple of times, even though I have no clue whether it's true or not."
To each his own though
Honesty it's weird...
"I'm going to make fun of the Air Force because I've seen other branches do it a couple of times, even though I have no clue whether it's true or not."
To each his own though
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:01 pm to Indiangensing
Posted on 2/15/18 at 6:09 pm to stelly1025
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It starting going downhill my last year which was 2008
A little earlier than that, IMO. We noticed a dramatic decrease in discipline in the soldiers we were getting from IET around 2004. It coincided roughly with the push to let anyone in after Iraq.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 7:56 pm to 50_Tiger
You know zero about the USAF then
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