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re: To Anyone Considering Suicide, This Is How Your Actions Torture Those Who Love You
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:46 pm to fishfighter
Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:46 pm to fishfighter
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Thanks, but I am ready for my maker. If it wasn't for my wife, daughter, SIL and grandson, I would of called it a day. The pain is unreal.
Are you saying you're considering suicide?
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Posted on 12/3/17 at 6:51 pm to TigersSEC2010
It's a terrifying concept. Imagine going back to the state of consciousness that was present before you were born. You can't, emptiness, just breathlessness thinking about it, yet time is ticking for all of us. Might as well wait it out no matter how bad things get and not take life too seriously.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:25 pm to TigersSEC2010
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Considering Suicide, This Is How Your Actions Torture Those Who Love You
well the fact that most people who commit suicide are dealing with mental health issues they cant think rationally enough to understand that
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:27 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Suicide is incredibly selfish.
idiot
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:30 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Suicide is incredibly selfish.
I've often thought that the act of suicide is often the person sending a message. As such, it runs up on selfish.
I just think if someone wants to end their own pain/demons/issues, he or she can easily fake an accidental death instead of having his or her parents, siblings, family, friends all spend the rest of their lives thinking that they failed the person. That's the route I'd take.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:31 pm to TheCurmudgeon
Fish, my hope is that you go out on your own terms.....whenever that time presents itself
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:32 pm to TheCurmudgeon
1-800-273-8255 Suicide Prevention Hotline:
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:38 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Suicide is incredibly selfish.
By definition. I'm sure you'll be one of those men with ALS and living on a respirator right?
Their life, their choice. Deal with it.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:39 pm to TheCurmudgeon
People who think suicide is selfish are very uneducated. I work in mental health and when people get to the point of suicide they are in a very dark place. Lots of timee no clue how they got there, and no clue how to get out. Depression is VERY real and VERY scary. To work in this environment and see it on a daily basis it really opens your eyes. Mental illness is real.. just like someone gets the flu, someone can be struck with mental illness. And if not caught and treated fast it can spiral out of control until they think the only option is to end it all. They are not thinking rationally and can not think rationally. Their wires are all crossee up, and there is absolutely nothing that will help unless they are under the care of a professional and right medication. Mental health is a major issue in this country that is always the first in every states budget cuts...that is because people not not really understand it unless they have a loved one going through it. So before people jump to conclusions and say its selfish, they should really get educated.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:42 pm to TigersSEC2010
So sorry to all of those who have had to grieve this tremendous pain. I hope you find strength and peace.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 7:45 pm to fishfighter
FF, I know how you feel, man. I am not gonna sit here and say it gets better, it just somewhat bearable. This is how it is for me anyways. The harder days, I just push through and they are a lot of them.
My son left this earth by his own hand in the summer of 2012.
My son left this earth by his own hand in the summer of 2012.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:10 pm to torrey225
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Their life, their choice. Deal with it.
Well sure. Doesn't mean it's not selfish.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:35 pm to TigersSEC2010
Sometimes those that we are close to just won't share and do a good job of masking their issues, both physical and emotional. Some of us are lucky not having had to deal with such things. It isn't just suicide that can bring such feelings to the front. Consider this friend I had and what he dealt with that was not suicide related, but has left him just as empty because his son would not open up to him.
His son was a successful early 30's business executive in Colorado. My friend is an exemplary Midwestern church going Father and leader. He and his wife, two sons and daughter spent all times together as a loving and sharing family. The children had grandkids and all was perfect.
At the age of 35, his son died of a massive heart attack that had been building over the last few years and well diagnosed, treated but considered life shortening. What is strange is my friend knew nothing of his son's condition nor did his son's ex-wife who was still a close friend to the family!
How do you hide something like this to your grave? He wrestled with this problem and it literally broke this brave and strong Father/Mother down to the point of having to return to CO to be closer to his son's ex-wife and some of his other family.
Before he left he pulled me aside one day to give me an update on their plans...so we talked about things. He told me he had even been an assistant high school football coach and how much he and his son enjoyed reminiscing over this...and on. His major emotional issue seemed he had not had a chance to tell his son for the last time how much he loved him and proud he was...just couldn't understand, knowing his son loved his parents, why he felt he had to hide his condition to protect them.
He told me with tears that he had to share something that had not been shared with anyone else to help him understand what it meant in this puzzle.
His son had taken out a $15M life insurance policy three years earlier and named his mother and father as sole beneficiaries. This was done prior to his diagnosis with the heart condition.
These were not rich people; loving parents were struggling with this conundrum. The only thing I could think to tell him was trivial...just to take it as a measure of how much his parents had meant to him in life and this was his way of offsetting their not knowing about his health condition.
Not a suicide, but his death was a known forthcoming event by his son that he chose not to share. It was just tearing this man and his family to pieces not being able to come to terms with not being there to comfort and support his son at the end of life. Yes, the money was nice, but it offered nothing to his family relative to an answer of why he chose to hide this from those that he knew loved him unequivocally.
Things happen to families that you just have to have faith in a higher being when you can't find an answer.
His son was a successful early 30's business executive in Colorado. My friend is an exemplary Midwestern church going Father and leader. He and his wife, two sons and daughter spent all times together as a loving and sharing family. The children had grandkids and all was perfect.
At the age of 35, his son died of a massive heart attack that had been building over the last few years and well diagnosed, treated but considered life shortening. What is strange is my friend knew nothing of his son's condition nor did his son's ex-wife who was still a close friend to the family!
How do you hide something like this to your grave? He wrestled with this problem and it literally broke this brave and strong Father/Mother down to the point of having to return to CO to be closer to his son's ex-wife and some of his other family.
Before he left he pulled me aside one day to give me an update on their plans...so we talked about things. He told me he had even been an assistant high school football coach and how much he and his son enjoyed reminiscing over this...and on. His major emotional issue seemed he had not had a chance to tell his son for the last time how much he loved him and proud he was...just couldn't understand, knowing his son loved his parents, why he felt he had to hide his condition to protect them.
He told me with tears that he had to share something that had not been shared with anyone else to help him understand what it meant in this puzzle.
His son had taken out a $15M life insurance policy three years earlier and named his mother and father as sole beneficiaries. This was done prior to his diagnosis with the heart condition.
These were not rich people; loving parents were struggling with this conundrum. The only thing I could think to tell him was trivial...just to take it as a measure of how much his parents had meant to him in life and this was his way of offsetting their not knowing about his health condition.
Not a suicide, but his death was a known forthcoming event by his son that he chose not to share. It was just tearing this man and his family to pieces not being able to come to terms with not being there to comfort and support his son at the end of life. Yes, the money was nice, but it offered nothing to his family relative to an answer of why he chose to hide this from those that he knew loved him unequivocally.
Things happen to families that you just have to have faith in a higher being when you can't find an answer.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:37 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
GeorgeTheGreek,
Let's try and not be retarded starting Monday. Seeing how you've already fricked up Sunday.
Let's try and not be retarded starting Monday. Seeing how you've already fricked up Sunday.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:37 pm to Fivestarschief
Ooooo good one!
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:46 pm to oleyeller
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People who think suicide is selfish are very uneducated
It is selfish. However some (not all) are mentally ill from serious depression and not thinking rationally.
The toll on those left behind is devastating and they are the ones who have to fix the mess and carry on.
It's very selfish but you can't expect rational behavior from mentally ill.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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However some (not all) are mentally illnfrom
greater than 90% are dealing with mental illness... fact
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:52 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Put the past away GtG
Of all people you should understand.
Of all people you should understand.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:57 pm to oleyeller
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greater than 90% are dealing with mental illness... fact
Disorder, which can include various degrees of depression. The list of disorders is endless
Posted on 12/3/17 at 9:06 pm to TigersSEC2010
Sorry, but no one has the right to force someone to live -- no matter how much pain their death might cause.
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