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Government School Systems are a Jobs program, not real schools
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:14 am
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:14 am
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Inflation-adjusted public school spending per student in the U.S.
1970: $7,576
1980: $9,615
1990: $13,092
2000: $15,204
2010: $18,024
2021: $19,999
164% real increase since 1970.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:17 am to RebelExpress38
Maybe, but couldn't one say that hiring more teachers to reduce class size may contribute to the larger increase in administration??
And isn't that a good thing? Smaller class sizes? Nothing's perfect.. a teacher could teach a class of 60 and be great. A teacher can teach a class of 10 and suck.
It is what it is..
And isn't that a good thing? Smaller class sizes? Nothing's perfect.. a teacher could teach a class of 60 and be great. A teacher can teach a class of 10 and suck.
It is what it is..
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:18 am to RebelExpress38
It's become a kind of racket and all of those added layers of bureaucracy don't yield results in far too many cases.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:18 am to RebelExpress38
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1970: $7,576
1980: $9,615
1990: $13,092
2000: $15,204
2010: $18,024
2021: $19,999
And performance just gets worse and worse each year..
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:20 am to i am dan
This is the real reason we need vouchers. Tie the money to the kids and force the schools to compete.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:26 am to RebelExpress38
Indeed.
Its a day care for kids, a job creator for adults.
We do not get our money's worth from public education in any way.
Its a day care for kids, a job creator for adults.
We do not get our money's worth from public education in any way.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:27 am to RebelExpress38
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Government School Systems
I found the problem... and it isn't just in the public school systems, public colleges and universities are becoming a joke as well...
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:31 am to i am dan
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And performance just gets worse and worse each year.
Anyone really interested should look up the cost expenditure per student in China and the results they achieve there, for direct comparison.
I'm not one to praise Chini, but there are certainly things that they do right.
Meanwhile, the US spends more per child than anyone, and our results are middle-of-the-pack among everyone, and declining more and more with every passing year. Most 16 year old Asian students are proficient in advanced trigonometry. Most 12th graders in the US struggle with basic algebra.
We're certainly very good at educating our youth on how to effectively spray entire city blocks with bullets while only hitting innocent bystanders, though!
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:33 am to RebelExpress38
In major school districts like Los Angeles, their enrollment continues to decline to record levels, but they have added employees and are bloated with teachers and administration. No reduction in taxes, so they are paid more for less.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:34 am to TigerAxeOK
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Asian students
Outside of the US, they are typically not having to contend with one demographic that drags pretty much all others down...
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:35 am to RebelExpress38
Virtually all government programs are "jobs" programs. The military certainly is. Local and state jobs, from the guys mowing the roadside to the lady collecting the water bill, are jobs programs.
City governments are probably more bloated than the federal government, relative to their size.
City governments are probably more bloated than the federal government, relative to their size.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:36 am to TigerAxeOK
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I'm not one to praise Chini, but there are certainly things that they do right.
I bet if you adjust education results in the US to account for parent involvement, the kids who score the highest also have 2 parents in the home who are committed to helping their child learn daily.
This is why more money continues to not solve the problem. There are plenty of kids failing out of prestigious private schools because their parents don’t care at all about their education
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:37 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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City governments are probably more bloated than the federal government,
Eh, some of the bigger ones maybe but they all have to balance their budgets with the money they take in... The federal government does not...
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:38 am to RebelExpress38
Taxation is theft. Eliminate taxes and this problem solves itself.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:38 am to i am dan
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Maybe, but couldn't one say that hiring more teachers to reduce class size may contribute to the larger increase in administration??
Look at the first chart again. They're not hiring more teachers. The green line for teachers is the same as the blue line for students. That means the ratio is the same. The explosion of hires is in administrative staff in the school office and the central office.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:38 am to i am dan
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hiring more teachers to reduce class size
Except the green line and the blue line have the same growth. It looks to me like they’re not hiring more teachers.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 11:39 am
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:42 am to RebelExpress38
More teachers equals smaller classes, and it still isn’t enough because many American students flat out suck and have zero respect. Until that changes, it really doesn’t matter what programs are passed including vouchers
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:50 am to RebelExpress38
quote:so is every other gov fkn program. How is this a surprise?
the government ____________ system has become more of a jobs program
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:50 am to RebelExpress38
In fairness, the increase in education administrative requirements increases administrative bloat.
I don’t think the bloat is defensible. But it’s one of the drivers of the bloat.
I don’t think the bloat is defensible. But it’s one of the drivers of the bloat.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:52 am to i am dan
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And performance just gets worse and worse each year..
Education in this country would be cheaper if one housewife agreed to teach 6-7 kid in her home and parents paid her directly.
It would also most likely improve dramatically.
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