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Posted on 5/19/24 at 2:58 pm to
Posted by 4cubbies
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 2:58 pm to
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It directly refutes your lies and silly assumptions. Sorry that actual statistics instead of assumptions hurt your silly agenda.


Instead of “most” I should have said “about half.”

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Do you think a DA office is out there just constantly charging innocent people? All of the research we have says that at best about 4% of people charged with a crime are actually innocent.


I haven’t seen this research, would you mind sharing it?
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 2:59 pm to
Genius move by move IMO. Generate money for the jail, means they can be less dependent on the tax payers
Posted by stout
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:01 pm to
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So, this trustworthy, completely innocent person that got arrested, doesn't know anyone that owns property, who trusts them, that will sign a property bond?


The people who can't get anyone to help them with bond probably have a long list of priors to the point that family or friends do not want anything to do with them.

I hire people for work from a sober living facility and have seen a few of them get arrested for stupid crap over the weekends while they were off. They can't find anyone to help them because they are already so far gone that family just can't keep helping them. Its sad but you can't blame their family for giving up.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:02 pm to
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So, this trustworthy, completely innocent person that got arrested, doesn't know anyone that owns property, who trusts them, that will sign a property bond?
It doesn't cost anything, as long as the accused shows up for trial.


I wonder if theres a connection between an agency/company that makes money off of the number of inmates incarcerated and the likelihood that local LEO keep that jail populated.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:04 pm to
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The people who can't get anyone to help them with bond probably have a long list of priors to the point that family or friends do not want anything to do with them.

I hire people for work from a sober living facility and have seen a few of them get arrested for stupid crap over the weekends while they were off. They can't find anyone to help them because they are already so far gone that family just can't keep helping them. Its sad but you can't blame their family for giving up.

Exactly my point.
Posted by SuperOcean
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:04 pm to
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It wouldn’t exist but for criminals.

It would go away as soon as they do.


The older I get, the more cynical...so there's that , but with that age , I have been in the midst of bureaucracy and separately have seen people pretty much rationalize anything...so I don't know that it would go away
Posted by stout
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:08 pm to
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I haven’t seen this research, would you mind sharing it?



Im not doing your homework for you. You can search it. Just a heads up that non-conviction rate has nothing to do with whether they were innocent so ignore any non-conviction stats.

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What is a non-conviction? This is when a court decides not to record a conviction in your case, even though you have been found guilty. The court is more likely to do this if it is your first offence and the crime is less serious.


That rate drops to under 1% for Federal crimes FYI

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In 2022, 0.4% of federal criminal defendants went to trial and were acquitted


98% plea and the rest go to trial and are found guilty.

The state and the feds have a pretty good batting average
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:11 pm to
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Do you assume everyone else who has been arrested also has a baggie of fentanyl up their asses?

Does that change that people are being financially exploited to “visit” their loved ones?

What do you mean? That instead of focusing on corrupt jail policies people should only focus on…what? Punishing people who have been accused of crimes?


I've already explained where the root cause lies, how the phone issue is a symptom instead of a cause and how the very nature of that precludes fixing the underlying issue.

But then again, that's a bit too deep for you to understand as you "don't care why something happens" and that reasoning is why those things you focus on will never get fixed.

Is that why you focus on symptoms rather than root causes? Because you just want to fuel for your continual moral outrage machine? Or is it because you truly aren't bright enough to look beyond the seemingly easily-resolved symptoms to come up with solutions to the far more complex root causes?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:20 pm to
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Im not doing your homework for you.


how many questions have you asked me in this thread alone. You’re good for spouting your own bullshite and that’s it.

Looks like you don’t have any data about the conviction rate in LA. I’m sure someone you know told you this info and we should all believe it.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:20 pm to
Making a title like this

quote:

Do Children Have a “Right to Hug” Their Parents?


to complain about a system used for visitation of prisoners is more than a little disingenuous
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:24 pm to
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Do Criminal kids in jail have a “Right to Hug” Their Parents?


fixed your title

and no, if you are in jail, there is no justified reason for any form of physical contact from anyone, even parents
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50435 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:25 pm to
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you "don't care why something happens"


If you say so.

This happens because incarcerated people are probably the most marginalized group in America. Society doesn’t care about them. Look at this thread alone. Most responses are essentially cheering the corruption on because “oh well they shouldn’t have gotten arrested.” I guess we can assume they feel the same way about the J6ers and Donald Trump.

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Because you just want to fuel for your continual moral outrage machine? Or is it because you truly aren't bright enough to look beyond the seemingly easily-resolved symptoms to come up with solutions to the far more complex root causes?




I have a history of posting articles about corruption in the carceral system. I’m not sure why you’re so upset that you feel the need to post emotional insults instead of discussing the topic, but I don’t really care to engage in a petty fight in this thread.

Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:26 pm to
God dam every day.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:26 pm to
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Making a title like this


To be fair, that's the title of the New Yorker article she linked and quoted (thus my stance that the article itself is myopic and misleading in its focus on a symptom as a root cause).
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:27 pm to
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fixed your title


Not everyone assumes everyone who has been arrested is guilty, bud.

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and no, if you are in jail, there is no justified reason for any form of physical contact from anyone, even parents


I assume you feel the same way about teh J6ers who have been arrested? Courts are supposed to operate on the presumption of innocence in this country, according to the Supreme Court, whether you like it or not.
Posted by Toomer Deplorable
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:37 pm to
Yes.

Do disingenuous subject headings on needed criminal justice system reform shut down good faith discussions on the topic?

Most decidedly.

Posted by Bard
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:39 pm to
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If you say so.


I'm just paraphrasing what you've said.

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No one cares why someone is making the public unsafe. It shouldn’t happen.


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This happens because incarcerated people are probably the most marginalized group in America.


No, it's just the most marginalized group in this conversation. That's the way it works for those beating their chests and gnashing their teeth over the bright and sparkly distractions of "marginalized groups". Whatever group is the topic at that moment is the "most marginalized group in America".

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I have a history of posting articles about corruption in the carceral system. I’m not sure why you’re so upset that you feel the need to post emotional insults instead of discussing the topic, but I don’t really care to engage in a petty fight in this thread.


You have a history of being distracted by symptoms over root causes, again, because you don't care why something happens.

Those questions weren't attacks nor emotional insults, they were genuinely honest questions aimed at hoping you reflect deeper than surface-level distractions. Instead of taking such an opportunity, you danced away from it.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:46 pm to
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Not everyone assumes everyone who has been arrested is guilty, bud.

The question of being able to get bonded out has nothing to do with the assumption of guilt, or innocence.
It's only a question of : Will this person show up for court if I bond them out?
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50435 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:52 pm to
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I'm just paraphrasing what you've said.



You're implying that because I believe an impenetrable wall of ladders and tables poses a threat to public safety that should be addressed by police... what now? I'm trying to follow and keep going back to our previous exchanges in this thread but I'm having a difficult time connected the two situations. My belief that police should address the wall of ladders at parades means that I shouldn't care about the exploitation of inmates? Can you spell out how these two ideas are connected?

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No, it's just the most marginalized group in this conversation. That's the way it works for those beating their chests and gnashing their teeth over the bright and sparkly distractions of "marginalized groups". Whatever group is the topic at that moment is the "most marginalized group in America".



Ok. I have a history of posting threads like this that spotlight corruption in our carceral system, but you obviously are free to say whatever you want.

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You have a history of being distracted by symptoms over root causes, again, because you don't care why something happens.



I've already told you why it happens. It's impossible to separate the "why" from the actual events. This doesn't happen in schools when a school nurse calls a parent to pick up a sick kid. Society would never allow that.

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Those questions weren't attacks nor emotional insults

Asking someone if they aren't bright enough to understand something is generally considered insulting, since it looks like you didn't know that.
This post was edited on 5/19/24 at 3:54 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50435 posts
Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:56 pm to
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The question of being able to get bonded out has nothing to do with the assumption of guilt, or innocence.
It's only a question of : Will this person show up for court if I bond them out?


It's a question of whether or not the accused knows someone with several thousand dollars on hand who is willing to loan it to them for 5 and a half months.

Louisiana is one of the poorest states in America. The majority of the state is rural. The median income here is $27,0000. Your belief that someone not knowing a person with several thousand dollars on hand that is willing to lend it them for nearly 6 months is some indication of guilt is very concerning. I don't think you realize how poor the majority of people in our state are.
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