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re: Per Zach Lowe: Pelicans added to teams that will pursue D Mitchell if no extension

Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:51 am to
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:51 am to
Oh there’s a chance, unlikely, but a chance. If he and z fit like a hand to a glove and they cruise to the WCF, I can’t see Mitchell bouncing for New York.

Again, highly unlikely given that one of those two still has yet to n healthy for a playoff game
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 11:53 am
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
1906 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:08 pm to
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BI can provide whatever lists he wants


OK, I see you misinterpreted my post. Here’s the scenario. Griff leaks to the press WG/BI spat and organizations intention not to sign him to a max (shite move … leaking to the press), next BI’s agent canvases league on who’s willing to pay max/near max dollars, BI canvases the list and rules out poverty franchises and selects list of teams who indicate willingness to pay, are well run and have a need at wing with a legit point. BI’s agent lets Griff know desired destinations and notifies others he would not extend creating a one year rental. Best interest of Pels to send an eight year vet to destination he wants with intent to extend. This maximizes Pels return as they can have desired locations bid against each other. Trade occurs, done deal.

The idea that he’d sign off on a trade to a team facing a rebuild, with a crap organization, and no established point is far fetched. He said as much in his exit presser. You all kill me with the greedy player routine. Most understand this is a business on both ends and if you were in the same position you’d attempt to use your leverage to.

If he indeed leaves you want a decent return and you tip your cap and say thank you for your efforts.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 12:12 pm
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25871 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:13 pm to
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Most understand this is a business on both ends and if you were in the same position you’d attempt to use your leverage to.



BI isn't AD or someone with that type of leverage.
and BI wants to make as much money as possible, and i don't say that's greedy b/c that's what 99% of people would do in his shoes.
You want $200M in Detroit for 4 years or you want $180M in Sacramento for 4 years? The answer: who gives a shite, i can live wherever i want half the year, i'd rather the 20 extra million dollars.

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Griff leaks to the press WG/BI spat and organizations intention not to sign him to a max (shite move … leaking to the press), next BI’s agent canvases league on who’s willing to pay max/near max dollars, BI canvases the list and rules out poverty franchises and selects list of teams who indicate willingness to pay, are well run and have a need at wing with a legit point. BI’s agent lets Griff know desired destinations and notifies others he would not extend creating a one year rental.


So in this scenario, multiple teams are interested in giving him a max extension?
You do realize this creates competition, meaning those teams are competing against each other to give the best offer?

The Heat can want to give him a max extension all they want. If we don't like their offer of Herro/Jovic/20301st, then we aren't sending him there, regardless if that's where he wants to go.




Brandon Ingram has missed 18, 37 and 27 games the last 3 years. He is an injury proned player.
There's a very simple scenario where these are his options:
1. Sign a lower than max extension with the Cavs (or someone else good). They have given us the best offer and is our ideal trade partner.

2. Sign max extension with Detroit or Charlotte. They are the only teams that have given us a trade offer that we deem acceptable. We are not interested in the deals Miami, Orlando or the 76ers gave us and no one else was willing to give you a max extension.

3. Sign a lower than max extension with the Pels and play out next year. We can look to trade next offseason or move forward as a Pelican.

3. You can not sign anything, play another season with the Pels, and become an unrestricted free agent next offseason and go wherever you want that has the ability to sign you. Risk of catastrophic injury could cost you hundreds of millions of dollars by taking this route mr injury prone BI.



Do you see how the leverage is more on our side than his?
I think it is highly unlikely that he plays next year without signing an extension b/c of his injury history.
There aren't a ton of teams worth a shite that ever have cap space. even when you're a UFA looking for a max contract, a S&T has to happen if you're going to the team you really want to go to.

Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61601 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:27 pm to
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next BI’s agent canvases league on who’s willing to pay max/near max dollars, BI canvases the list and rules out poverty franchises and selects list of teams who indicate willingness to pay, are well run and have a need at wing with a legit point.


You are assuming the teams willing to meet his price are playoff caliber teams. The new 2nd apron rules are forcing teams to operate differently. The Clippers seem to be seriously contemplating whether or not to pay Paul George. I don't think that's about Steve Ballmer getting cheap all of a sudden. I think its possible he would have to pick a cap space team like Detroit to get the money he wants. Now BI is also at the point in his career where he might leave money on the table for a better situation. I'm just saying don't assume that the other playoff teams will outbid the other teams on salary.
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 1:29 pm
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14554 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:18 pm to
Posted by Baron
Member since Dec 2014
1706 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:26 pm to
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“Gilbert and Koby Altman would look for a lucrative package of multiple draft picks and one or two young players with star potential in a Mitchell trade. For example, a source told Hoops Wire that the Cavaliers would ask for Tyler Herro and Jaime Jaquez Jr. from the Heat in Mitchell trade talks if it gets to that point.”


Finished the cliff-hanger from that tweet. Idk if it’s good or bad for us if they consider Herro and Jaquez “young players with star potential”. This feels like a Heat puff piece more than anything
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96551 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:30 pm to
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This feels like a Heat puff piece more than anything


The Heat enjoy a lot of media carrying water for them. The full court press by the media to make the Blazers give in sending Dames there comes to mind when Miami had already sent out most of the assets that would have been useful and lowballed them as a result.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
1906 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:38 pm to
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Sign max extension with Detroit or Charlotte


Not going to quibble over his value, but it might surprise a lot of folk. However, to your point, if he doesn’t want to go to a poverty franchise, he’d just indicate he would not sign an extension, the team would know its a rental and reconsider what they’d offer. Point being you’re not shipping him off to Siberia for some huge haul as some posters seem to believe.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
1906 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 2:45 pm to
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You are assuming the teams willing to meet his price are playoff caliber teams


A few teams already, that will have cap space, are playoff caliber with solid points will likely express interest. Also likely that it’ll be a 3 way where Pels would aquire players at positions of need. If thats Pels intent to move on it should be amicable in the best interests of both parties. League and players for sure watch how teams conduct business.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25871 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 3:16 pm to
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A few teams already, that will have cap space, are playoff caliber with solid points will likely express interest. Also likely that it’ll be a 3 way where Pels would aquire players at positions of need.




The Sixers can't just sign BI with their cap space like they can Paul George.
BI isn't a free agent.
The Sixers cannot offer anything worthwhile to us in any scenario. They aren't even a contender to trade for BI.

The Magic have draft picks and some young players who don't move the needle for me. They would have to go get a player or two we want, and still give us picks.
Again, we aren't going to just trade him for shits and giggles. He's still under contract here, and as I said, i seriously doubt he wants to play another year without a new extension.


There are plenty other teams that can offer good deals to us. It'll be up to them agreeing with BI on his extension if we make a deal with them.



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If thats Pels intent to move on it should be amicable in the best interests of both parties. League and players for sure watch how teams conduct business.


frick that. You'll go where it helps us the most, or you can keep playing here and make your decision next year on where YOU want to go, since you think BI has all these options available to him.
You think playoff teams are going to have cap space to sign him next offseason like the 76ers and Magic have this year? Even looking at this year if he was a unrestricted free agent, is he one of the top 2?
The Sixers and Magic are big game hunting.
Paul George
Jim Harden
Demar DeRozan
Klay Thompson
Siakam
all are UFA's, not to mention guys like MItchell/Garland are Dejounte/Trae who may get moved.
Is BI getting the max from a team with cap space? I highly doubt it, as it is much more likely he woudl go to a team that has to do a S&T basically.

He's not going to not sign an extension this offseason. He may get that max offer from a team he likes, and we like, but we are taking the best deal we can get. BI will find out what his worth is this offseason.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
1906 posts
Posted on 5/20/24 at 3:38 pm to
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BI will find out what his worth is this offseason.


That’s about the only thing we agree on.
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