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re: Non leftists that are Pro Palestinian
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:17 pm to Seldom Seen
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:17 pm to Seldom Seen
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So you're saying it's not genocide as long as they are killing at slow enough of a rate?
Again it sounds like you're just upset about the words being used to describe Israel's actions.
Attempting to remove an entire ethnic group of people from an area of land that you would like to control. What exactly would you call that?
No, it’s not genocide, it’s war.
Ironically, hamas killed far more people on October 7 than Israel has killed per day since. The civilians killed by the IDF have been collateral damage. Hamas targeted Israeli civilians on October 7. Sounds like Hamas perpetrated genocide….
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:23 pm to 632627
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No, it’s not genocide, it’s war.
I think people had hoped that there would be more precision. But, much of this comes down to a matter of perception. It appears to much of the world that Israel is just saying, "hey Hamas is under there, level everything." It doesn't appear Israel is "defending itself" anymore. There is a reason the rest of the world outside of the U.S., U.K., and Israel sees this conflict differently and I don't think it's anti-semitism. Haaretz reported there is legit concern about Bibi being arrested in the ICC case.
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Whether or not the arrest warrants materialize, they have already had an effect. It is impossible to detach them from the postponement of any move to start the evacuation of Palestinian civilians as a prelude to the Rafah operation, and the sudden willingness of Netanyahu to accept an Egyptian proposal for a hostage agreement that will include the restoration of freedom of movement in Gaza and, more than anything else, the increasingly open actions by Israel to restore supply lines into Gaza after long months of obstruction.
Israeli officials admit that these are now directly connected to the government’s urgent efforts to fend off arrest warrants.
It’s part of a wider trend of belated realization that the costs of this war on the international front could become intolerable, whether for Israel as a country or for certain Israeli individuals. And while many, perhaps even a majority, of Israelis don’t particularly care if Netanyahu (and Mrs. Netanyahu) might have to give up his penchant for state-funded travel overseas, this isn’t just about him.
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This post was edited on 5/17/24 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 5/17/24 at 3:26 pm to 632627
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No, it’s not genocide, it’s war.
It might not be a genocide, but it’s not a war either. Wars have at least 2 militaries. And they usually have one side at least fighting back. War is not what this is.
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Ironically, hamas killed far more people on October 7 than Israel has killed per day since.
And the Allies killed more Germans in one day in Dresden than the Nazis did in any one day in the whole war. What does this have in common with October 7? They’re both totally irrelevant to the topic.
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The civilians killed by the IDF have been collateral damage.
Which civilians killed by the IDF? The Palestinians in Gaza? Or the Israelis they killed in strikes on October 7th trying to get to Hamas? Because they killed a significant portion of the October 7 casualties themselves, in fact all of the ones who were found burned up (which is one of the stronger propaganda tools, implying the terrorists burned civilians alive).
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