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re: UN Did Not Halve Numbers of Gaza Civilians Killed
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:47 am to Captain Rumbeard
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:47 am to Captain Rumbeard
quote:
Compelling argument.
Let me ask my cat if I can refute it.
You think it will be “over” when Hamas is dead? You’re incredibly naive at best.
Hamas specifically might not have 100% of the support of the people, but these drastic military engagements and bombings by Israel make the Palestinians hate them. These current kids going through this will grow up to be someone that hates Israel and is willing to fight them. Whether that is Hamas, or some new offshoot in the future, is irrelevant.
By refusing to grant Palestinians a state (spare me the horseshite on the proposals they “refused”), and routinely killing them, they have created a monster. This situation cannot end until they either drive them all out of the land completely, or they compromise.
Saying this ends when Hamas is gone is the most asinine thing I’ve ever heard. But don’t worry, you’re not alone. There are countless simpletons parroting the same thing.
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:49 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Many argue that mass rape, torture, kidnapping, murders, and sundry atrocities committed against innocent folks were a "response" in-kind to something?
Many argue October 7 was in response to prior Israeli aggression.
You accept that in terms of your "framing" comment?
You cannot be serious.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:51 am to Boodis Man
Hope it was more than whatever was stated
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:54 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
Many argue that mass rape, torture, kidnapping, murders, and sundry atrocities committed against innocent folks were a "response" in-kind to something? You accept that in terms of your "framing" comment?
You cannot be serious.
Here’s the deal bubba. If you want to frame it, as SoFlow says, how you want within the past 80 years you can for either side. You can pin literally every one of those actions you listed on Israel at one time or another since 1940 or so.
If you think that’s irrelevant, I don’t think the subjects would agree when their current environment has been a military occupation since 1948 in some areas, and at least 1967 in all areas.
These people have been occupied since 1967. The actions that occurred during that occupation that has yet to end are a burning hot button issue.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:56 am to NC_Tigah
I'm not saying I endorse this, but when you wade out into the alt media world that supports Palestinians, they perceive Oct 7 as a response to a continuing conflict.
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Posted on 5/20/24 at 11:58 am to Boodis Man
If you believe the UN's numbers, you're very naive.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Not pretty, but it does resolve the problem.
Whereas you have no answer that solves the problem other than lets do this again since it's so damn fun.
Whereas you have no answer that solves the problem other than lets do this again since it's so damn fun.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:14 pm to OBReb6
quote:No sweetheart, here's the deal. October 7th was not a response in-kind to anything. The murder, torture, kidnapping, and rape of innocent international tourists is not a matter of "framing." It was infliction of de novo atrocity.
Here’s the deal bubba. If you want to frame it
¿Comprende?
International interference with military response to the atrocities, is not only unhelpful, it actually encourages future savagery. Both sides would be best served in the long run by the international community standing aside and allowing this situation to run its course.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:19 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:Richard Medhurst is a liar. Liars lie. It is what they do. Waleed Daqqa died of cancer, not medical negligence.
Killed through deliberate medical negligence.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:24 pm to LegalEazyE
quote:
If you believe the UN's numbers, you're very naive.
Then so is anyone believing idf numbers
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:26 pm to OBReb6
quote:Oh my. How special. Spare you the "horseshite" eh?
(spare me the horseshite on the proposals they “refused”)
Speaking of "horseshite," why are fellow Arab countries not simply absorbing large numbers of the "Palestinians"? You have any idea?
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:35 pm to Boodis Man
Boodis man is pro terrorism
Thanks for letting us know
Thanks for letting us know
Posted on 5/20/24 at 12:40 pm to Boodis Man
quote:It's none of anyone's business.
Then so is anyone believing idf numbers
The belief of Hamas attention whores that they can curry international favor through their behavior is what spurred their subhuman actions in the first place.
Were they told by all parties, in no uncertain terms, they were on their own, Oct 7th would never have happened.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:03 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
Oh my. How special. Spare you the "horseshite" eh?
Here’s a leaked video from 2001 of Netanyahu describing how the Oslo broke down
Netanyahu: This is how I broke the Oslo Accords with the Palestinians
In the video, he describes how the terms had language regarding military installations, and he redefined the term to include “security zones”, which then came by Israeli definition to mean the entire Jordan valley and any settlement to be off limits to the Palestinian territory. So these were poison pills he added. This is never discussed by people like you. There have never been real 2 state solutions on the table.
Also, Arafat never turned the deal down. He requested that the negotiations continue. And it was Netanyahu who then refused. This is important as well.
Also hilariously in the video Netanyahu brags about how he manipulates Clinton and the American people because of how overwhelmingly we support Israel by default.
I expect a response.
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Speaking of "horseshite," why are fellow Arab countries not simply absorbing large numbers of the "Palestinians"? You have any idea?
I’ve answered this multiple times on this board. The Arab countries use this as a political football to drum up support with their base. They can have rhetoric of supporting the Palestinians but never doing anything about it, and the issue is always there to harp on.
The Arabs are scum too and I’m not on their “side”. They could help the situation but they won’t. But here lies the question, we already assume they are backwards theocracies, so why are we, the alleged first world liberal democracies, shifting the burden of action to them if we already think they are inferior cultures? How can you actually expect them to do the right thing?
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:17 pm to OBReb6
quote:That's quite a trick since Rabin and Barak represented Arafat's diplomatic foils.
Netanyahu: This is how I broke the Oslo Accords with the Palestinians
quote:In addition to Barak and Rabin, the second intifada says you have no clue as to WTF you're talking about.
Also, Arafat never turned the deal down. He requested that the negotiations continue. And it was Netanyahu who then refused. This is important as well.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:22 pm to Boodis Man
That link doesn’t do what you think it does.
Who knows the precise number of civilian casualties? But they are real and numerous.
Who knows the precise number of civilian casualties? But they are real and numerous.
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:31 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
That's quite a trick since Rabin and Barak represented Arafat's diplomatic foils.
What are you getting at? The documents for the agreement were drafted previously. Netanyahu discussed taking existing terminology that was somewhat vague and defining it in a way that was unacceptable to Arafat. What does that have to do with what I said? Explain this to me.
quote:
In addition to Barak and Rabin, the second intifada says you have no clue as to WTF you're talking about.
The second intifada that started as a result of the Camp David talks breaking down?
This post was edited on 5/20/24 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 5/20/24 at 1:45 pm to OBReb6
quote:The second intifada that started when Arafat turned the deal down.
Also, Arafat never turned the deal down. He requested that the negotiations continue.
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In addition to Barak and Rabin, the second intifada says you have no clue as to WTF you're talking about.
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The second intifada that started as a result of the Camp David talks breaking down?
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