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Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:30 pm to LaBR4
ABC (Associated Builders and Contractors) on Highland Road does welding classes on Tuesday and Thursday nights. You should go check it out. The two year program is $1600, but if you talk nice, they may discount that fee. If you get sponsored by one of their contractors, the class is only $300.
https://www.abctraining.org/welding
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:30 pm to Pandy Fackler
Look and see if classes are available that fits your schedule or find a welder who teaches welding.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:32 pm to Corriente Kid
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Only professional welders use mig
Not even close to true
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:33 pm to Walt OReilly
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Get you a nice FR pearl button up. A pair of TIG gloves. Welding hood and and a chipping hammer
An American flag doo rag also helps.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:33 pm to MorbidTheClown
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, i don't even know if stick welding is thing any more.
Stick welding is typically used outdoors. Pipeline, corrals, steel building, pipe fence etc.
MiG and Tig are used indoors in a shop setting typically. Shielding gases required to MiG and tig weld don’t do well outdoors due to air currents.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:35 pm to Corriente Kid
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It is most definitely still a thing. Only professional welders use mig
I would bet money there are more MIG capable welding machines in non-pro shops than anything else. If you would have said TIG I would agree since it is the hardest of the standard processes to grasp and used for more specialty materials not just knocking together grills and other stuff hobbyist tend to build.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:36 pm to beerJeep
To build a BBQ pit, you will need some plate steel, an angle grinder (to cut the pieces), A welder's helmet, so you won't fry your eyeballs, and a stick welding unit with welding rods for steel plate (all from Harbor Freight).
Look at some YouTube videos and practice cutting and welding some small pieces of metal. Learn how to grind a v cut fitting and how to fill it with a continuous weld bead. There are very good welders on YouTube willing to talk you through it and demonstrate the needed basic welds.
If you make good plans (also found by looking at google), you might be able to get a metal shop to cut them to size for you. A BBQ supplier may have a grill the size you want to design your pit around.
You will be better making a box grill, since making a round one requires lots you won't have and probably can't do. Making a round cylinder pit will be even more difficult for a beginner, but it can be done. If you try to make one from an old butane tank, don't blow yourself up with left over butane that will likely still be in the tank.
Don't kid yourself. This will be expensive. Depending on the level of your natural, "God given Man Skills" and the thickness of your wad of cash, it can be done. Chances are good, you will be somewhat disappointed with the results.
Option 2 - Go to Bucees and buy one. They have lots of manly pits for sale. Only problem with that will be trailering it home.
Look at some YouTube videos and practice cutting and welding some small pieces of metal. Learn how to grind a v cut fitting and how to fill it with a continuous weld bead. There are very good welders on YouTube willing to talk you through it and demonstrate the needed basic welds.
If you make good plans (also found by looking at google), you might be able to get a metal shop to cut them to size for you. A BBQ supplier may have a grill the size you want to design your pit around.
You will be better making a box grill, since making a round one requires lots you won't have and probably can't do. Making a round cylinder pit will be even more difficult for a beginner, but it can be done. If you try to make one from an old butane tank, don't blow yourself up with left over butane that will likely still be in the tank.
Don't kid yourself. This will be expensive. Depending on the level of your natural, "God given Man Skills" and the thickness of your wad of cash, it can be done. Chances are good, you will be somewhat disappointed with the results.
Option 2 - Go to Bucees and buy one. They have lots of manly pits for sale. Only problem with that will be trailering it home.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:37 pm to Pandy Fackler
Just buy the kit and go for it. My dad did it, God bless him.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:39 pm to Pandy Fackler
This is what I have learned about welding while starting out late in life with it..,,it looks a whole lot easier than it actually is. My hats off to those boilermakers I worked with as a young man. They were absolutely incredible welders and metal workers in general. It is a true art form. Those that can there make their weld the appearance of stacked dimes are true craftsmen.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:39 pm to Pandy Fackler
I don't do things where I can lose a limb or life with my first mistake. Hence, no straight razor shaving or motorcycle driving. or welding.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:42 pm to Pandy Fackler
The easiest way to learn is to get someone to teach you. A friend who welds is the best place to start. You can watch all the videos you want, but until you just do it and keep doing it you won't get skilled at it.
When asked if I could weld I used to tell folks that I could make metal stick together, but it was up to interpretation as to whether or not it was welding.
When asked if I could weld I used to tell folks that I could make metal stick together, but it was up to interpretation as to whether or not it was welding.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 4:44 pm to Pandy Fackler
It depends on the level of welding you want to achieve.
The best welders I’ve ever seen are artists, they stack dimes on top of dimes welding structural steel. Absolute artisans and their welds will pass inspections each time. The welds are inspected like a mother’s womb (whatever that’s called)?
You can teach yourself to weld but you’ll need a mentor to show you how to be an artisan welder.
I was a foreman for a steel erector. My best welders were amazing.
The best welders I’ve ever seen are artists, they stack dimes on top of dimes welding structural steel. Absolute artisans and their welds will pass inspections each time. The welds are inspected like a mother’s womb (whatever that’s called)?
You can teach yourself to weld but you’ll need a mentor to show you how to be an artisan welder.
I was a foreman for a steel erector. My best welders were amazing.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:00 pm to WalkonQB
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The best welders I’ve ever seen are artists, they stack dimes on top of dimes welding structural steel. Absolute artisans and their welds will pass inspections each time. The welds are inspected like a mother’s womb (whatever that’s called)?
This is the thing. Practically any of us can learn enough to be functional with what we want to DIY. Professional, expert welders are nearly the equivalent of surgeons in my eyes. It’s a talent for sure.
You can surely learn enough to build your grill. Before spending a bunch of money, see if you know anyone who has a simple stick rig. Get some 6010, 6011, or 7013 rods and practice a bit. Some hands on instruction will be much more beneficial to you than videos, imo.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:22 pm to Pandy Fackler
Start with a cheap wire welder then work up to stick.
You can teach yourself with YouTube videos.
You can teach yourself with YouTube videos.
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Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:25 pm to Pandy Fackler
yes, you can teach yourself on a mig welder.
FYI, when the Lincoln manual refers to the work lead, it means the grounding wire, not the gun part you use on the work. when that is pointed out to you, your welds will improve. or it least mine did.
FYI, when the Lincoln manual refers to the work lead, it means the grounding wire, not the gun part you use on the work. when that is pointed out to you, your welds will improve. or it least mine did.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:29 pm to El Segundo Guy
I’ve been manipulating metal for a long, long time. And for what you’re wanting to do, all you need is a basic flux core mig. Duel shield is better, but for that .035 flux core is fine. I’d go with a Lincoln 90i.
Voltage= Heat. Wire Speed. And travel speed with the gun itself. Angel of the mig gun from 90 degrees with a little tilt going right to left pushing the puddle will give you more of a flat weld or vice versa left to right.
You want the tip about a1/8 in of the base metal, maybe a little more but don’t long arc it let’s say around a 1/4 in.
You can also do what is known as dragging, which is opposite of pushing the puddle. Same concept, but laying metal down behind the tip instead of in front of it ie pushing
Get you a 55 gallon drum to practice on. It’s cheap and it’s thin metal which basically the same thickness as a grill you’re wanting to make. Cut it in half with a matabo or any grinder with some 4in cutting wheels. Fit it back up a tack it back together with several tacks. After that you’ll just have to play with adjusting your volts and wire speed. If you’re to hot you’ll over penetrate and blow holes in it. But that’s part of learning. Good luck with it
Just a basic welding hood also with a #10 shade to start of with. Jackson will be your cheapest 4x2 lens. Or spend more money for an automatic lens. They make 4x2 automatic lens also
Voltage= Heat. Wire Speed. And travel speed with the gun itself. Angel of the mig gun from 90 degrees with a little tilt going right to left pushing the puddle will give you more of a flat weld or vice versa left to right.
You want the tip about a1/8 in of the base metal, maybe a little more but don’t long arc it let’s say around a 1/4 in.
You can also do what is known as dragging, which is opposite of pushing the puddle. Same concept, but laying metal down behind the tip instead of in front of it ie pushing
Get you a 55 gallon drum to practice on. It’s cheap and it’s thin metal which basically the same thickness as a grill you’re wanting to make. Cut it in half with a matabo or any grinder with some 4in cutting wheels. Fit it back up a tack it back together with several tacks. After that you’ll just have to play with adjusting your volts and wire speed. If you’re to hot you’ll over penetrate and blow holes in it. But that’s part of learning. Good luck with it
Just a basic welding hood also with a #10 shade to start of with. Jackson will be your cheapest 4x2 lens. Or spend more money for an automatic lens. They make 4x2 automatic lens also
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:31 pm to MrBobDobalina
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TIG is a little more artist fartsy and usually needs a shielding gas.
Just so no one gets confused MIG, TIG, and stick all need shielding gas to work correctly. The shield gas in stick welding comes from the flux on the outside of the stick vaporizing. MIG and TIG (the IG stands for inert gas) get the shield gas from a separate tanked supply, usually CO2, Argon, or a mix of the two. If you use MIG or TIG wire without shield gas you will get a shitty looking weld that is almost certainly contaminated. What you are generally seeing when a person uses a MIG welder and no separate shielding gas supply is them using flux core wire. Flux core can be used in a MIG welder but is basically stick welding where the stick is replaced with feedable wire and the flux (which provides the shield gas) is on the inside versus the outside of a stick welding electrode.
Posted on 5/15/24 at 5:39 pm to Pandy Fackler
I learned how to stick weld in high school. Got good enough to be on the welding team but I didn't accept the offer. I had no desire to do it competitively.
They had a mig welder but I was so good with the stick, I never tried it.
Get a welding machine, some rods and start burning them. Watch YouTube videos. Once you can weld a good bead on a flat plate, start welding 2 pieces of metal together. The more practice you get the better you'll be.
I can't weld anymore because it's been over 30 years ago since I did that.
They had a mig welder but I was so good with the stick, I never tried it.
Get a welding machine, some rods and start burning them. Watch YouTube videos. Once you can weld a good bead on a flat plate, start welding 2 pieces of metal together. The more practice you get the better you'll be.
I can't weld anymore because it's been over 30 years ago since I did that.
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