How is it not?

If all the things he grouped together are in defiance of God’s will, to the point where euthanasia and surrogacy are under the same umbrella, then he isn’t compromising on much of anything, right?

I feel like you’re getting really hung up on this word “zealot” - It’s not a slur, at least not in the denotative sense that I’m using it. It just means fanatical. The more you argue that his beliefs are deeply intertwined with the exact verbiage of the Catholic doctrine, the more you’re arguing for his zealotry, not against it.

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But your reaction to it comes from a place where you think he said "disorder," as in a psychiatric disorder (would be my guess)

Nope. Like I said, you did a good job of clearing that up already.

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bunch of people believing or not believing a thing is not proof of it's veracity though.

Amen! But a strict adherence to the doctrine is again more evidence of diehard devotion to an ideology, even in the face of more contemporary beliefs and methods concerning childbirth. Uncompromising.

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Posted by Freauxzen

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Posted on 5/19/24 at 2:45 pm to NawlinsTiger9

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How is it not?

Because zealotry is the pursuit of, as you mention. Not the belief in. Believing in things is not zealotry. Speaking of things is not zealotry. All Butker did was stand up and profess his beliefs, nothing more.

Lighting yourself on fire is zealotry. Killing people for your beliefs is zealotry. Blowing up buildings is zealotry.

Otherwise, your definition of religion would mean that zealotry is the belief in the doctrine of the faith. Of any faith. And that non-zealotry, or what you would deem acceptable religious belief, is understanding doctrine and then compromising on that doctrine. That belief, and doctrine, are relative. And heck, that is a different conversation.

To call him, and everyone else, meaning Christians who believe what he believes, zealots, is absolutely asinine. Are you really ready to call pro-life people zealots? And, fwiw, not every person who is pro-life is super religious.

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Nope. Like I said, you did a good job of clearing that up already.

I cleared it up, but it didn't prove to you that he isn't comparing IVF to surrogacy as the same thing, as the same level of disorder, severity or problem? Or that these things are more complicated than "I don't support birthing a life?" It didn't change your approach to zealotry?

I mean, I hope, but maybe I didn't.

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