re: Chief's Harrison Butker delivers an unforgettable commencement address

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I think you’ve lost the plot here on my initial issue with your “stay at home moms = religious zealots/what is the world coming to?!” emotional reaction.

The thing is, your description of his beliefs (which was thorough and well explained and honestly appreciated) and how he arrived to them is a very good example of an uncompromising pursuit of religious ideals, or zealotry.

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Alright so let's have that chat.

Why is it an un compromising pursuit of religious ideals? We don't ACTUALLY know where life begins, unless you do. Any statement you make about that is arbitrary, and any scientist would say that. We don't have a point in time. We can make ourselves feel better with some " it doesn't have a brain yet" or something, but that's still arbitrary. There is no way to know. And there is no way to know, from their perspective, when a soul is attached to a life.

The Catholic doctrine essentially says it begins at Conception, so killing a bunch of humans to create one is probably not a great idea. You would call that opinions zealotry? There are other problems with IVF but that is the primary one.

So then everyone who is pro-life is a zealot?

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It’s not emotional on my end - I’m just reading what he said.

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But your reaction to it comes from a place where you think he said "disorder," as in a psychiatric disorder (would be my guess) drives the decision to IVF and surrogacy just like euthanasia. Or some variation of that. That's all I was referring to. That that interpretation of what he said is not really the truth.

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I’d wager that most casually religious people don’t believe surrogacy or IVF to be in defiance of God’s will as he does. There are even some examples of Catholics rebuking him in this very thread.

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A bunch of people believing or not believing a thing is not proof of it's veracity though. It doesn't matter that Catholic people disagree with him, from the doctrine itself, they would be incorrect. Just because there are some of them has no bearing on whether or not that is true.