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re: Chief's Harrison Butker delivers an unforgettable commencement address

Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:33 am to
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:33 am to
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His grouping of birthing a life and killing one as similar disorders qualifies more than the culture war headlines.


Dude, it's the wrong read. He was a Catholic guy, speaking to a catholic audience. Disorder is a very specific phrase in that context.

The commandments are the clearest distillation of God's will for man. As I've mentioned, disorder means not alignment with God's will.

Therefore, yes, committing murder is disordered. Not honoring your parents is disordered. Taking the Lords name in vain is disordered. Etc. They are different levels of severity, different causes and effects, they are all different kinds of "disorder." That's what he means.

He's not saying they are similar disorders, he us just saying they are not in alignment with God's will.

He is not saying that birthing a life and killing one are the same disorder that come from the same place that have the same level of severity. At all.

And I hope you realize that "birthing a life," is a really generous way to put surrogacy and IVF. The catholic perspective on both has nothing to do with "birthing a life'" and everything to do with how you get there.

You should at least read up before reacting so emotional to it.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:43 am to
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And I hope you realize that "birthing a life," is a really generous way to put surrogacy and IVF.


Lmao
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 11:16 am to
I think you’ve lost the plot here on my initial issue with your “stay at home moms = religious zealots/what is the world coming to?!” emotional reaction.

The thing is, your description of his beliefs (which was thorough and well explained and honestly appreciated) and how he arrived to them is a very good example of an uncompromising pursuit of religious ideals, or zealotry.

It’s not emotional on my end - I’m just reading what he said. I’d wager that most casually religious people don’t believe surrogacy or IVF to be in defiance of God’s will as he does. There are even some examples of Catholics rebuking him in this very thread.
This post was edited on 5/19/24 at 11:19 am
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