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re: Chief's Harrison Butker delivers an unforgettable commencement address
Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:03 pm to Freauxzen
Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:03 pm to Freauxzen
If you’re speaking from a position of power or relevance as he is, and you’re proclaiming that IVF and surrogacy are in defiance of God’s will, then yes, that is an uncompromising pursuit of religious ideals. I don’t see how one could think otherwise, honestly, regardless of how many extreme examples of zealotry you throw out there to try and make Butker’s example seem tame by comparison.
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Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:04 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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His grouping of birthing a life and killing one as similar disorders qualifies more than the culture war headlines. Read the whole thread before hopping in next time.
Except he is not inventing this. It comes from Catholic doctrine. The Church's position on these issues is very clear and hasn't changed. I can understand not agreeing with the Church's views but I'm actually fairly amazed at the lack of understanding of the context on this board which surely has plenty of people who attended Catholic schools in South LA.
Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:10 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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If you’re speaking from a position of power or relevance as he is, and you’re proclaiming that IVF and surrogacy are in defiance of God’s will, then yes, that is an uncompromising pursuit of religious ideals.
Speaking your beliefs is an uncompromising pursuit of religious ideals?
So, to not be a zealot, one cannot speak their beliefs?
And I find it odd that you don't think there are negative connotations to the title zealot, but again, I guess you do you.
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I don’t see how one could think otherwise, honestly, regardless of how many extreme examples of zealotry you throw out there to try and make Butker’s example seem tame by comparison.
So hypothetical. Homosexuality. I'm not asking you to defend one position, that's not the debate here.
Would it have been zealotry for Butker to say "Homosexuality is a disordered desire?"
Is it also, zealotry, I would think so, that in some muslim countries to throw homosexuals off of a roof?
Are you telling me that BOTH of these things are zealotry? Because I'm going to say the second is legit zealotry, but I'm really not ready to say the first is.
This post was edited on 5/19/24 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:33 pm to Freauxzen
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Speaking your beliefs is an uncompromising pursuit of religious ideals?
If your belief is that a woman who can’t have children is just shite outta luck on account of God’s will, and you use your platform to broadcast that conviction, then yeah man
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Would it have been zealotry for Butker to say "Homosexuality is a disordered desire?"
He kinda did that already:
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"Not the deadly sins sort of Pride that has an entire month dedicated to it," Butker said
And I feel like you know that there are sliding scales of zealotry. Just because he isn’t murdering someone doesn’t exempt him from sounding a bit fanatical in his statements.
Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:46 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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If your belief is that a woman who can’t have children is just shite outta luck on account of God’s will, and you use your platform to broadcast that conviction, then yeah man
But that's literally not the belief.
The belief is that her want of kids does not change the moral implications of killing life to get life. The ends don't justify the means.
At least argue about the actual belief.
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And I feel like you know that there are sliding scales of zealotry. Just because he isn’t murdering someone doesn’t exempt him from sounding a bit fanatical in his statements.
And I'd still argue that believing or speaking aren't zealotry. We are obviously at an impasse.
My only caution, from the very beginning, is that to so quickly label something so innocuous as what Butker did as zealotry is just a dangerous direction to head in. That's a fairly loaded term. It's not a good thing to do.
Posted on 5/19/24 at 3:57 pm to Freauxzen
Perhaps it’s only innocuous to you because you share his beliefs. Have you considered that possibility?
See I’d wager it’s infinitely worse to use a platform to speak against IVF and surrogacy in the context he did then it is for a random guy on a message board to refer to that behavior as zealotry.
But I guess we will agree to disagree.
See I’d wager it’s infinitely worse to use a platform to speak against IVF and surrogacy in the context he did then it is for a random guy on a message board to refer to that behavior as zealotry.
But I guess we will agree to disagree.
Posted on 5/19/24 at 4:04 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Perhaps it’s only innocuous to you because you share his beliefs. Have you considered that possibility?
No. I think believing and speaking are innocuous in this context. It has nothing to do with what he is saying, or whether or not I agree.
I can disagree with what a lot of another religion says, it's not the belief or speech that is zealotry. It's the pursuit of, which require more active actions.
Side question: is only religion "zealotry," or would you say the same about any sort of belief system?
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See I’d wager it’s infinitely worse to use a platform to speak against IVF and surrogacy in the context he did then it is for a random guy on a message board to refer to that behavior as zealotry.
So there is a danger to someone professing their beliefs about certain things on certain platforms? That for the safety of people, people should be allowed to say things they believe in?
In certain circumstances of course. That what Butker did was... dangerous?
Posted on 5/19/24 at 7:29 pm to mattz1122
Assumption is the mother of all frick ups…
Posted on 5/19/24 at 7:32 pm to mattz1122
Sure is a LOT of talk about what a “kicker” said…
Doesn’t affect anyone here but some just want to cry, as always.
Doesn’t affect anyone here but some just want to cry, as always.
Posted on 5/19/24 at 7:35 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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If you’re speaking from a position of power
You said he’s a kicker, what position of power does he have?
You’re just bitching to bitch but that’s been your whole existence here…
This post was edited on 5/19/24 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 5/19/24 at 7:37 pm to Freauxzen
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No. I think believing and speaking are innocuous in this context. It has nothing to do with what he is saying, or whether or not I agree. I can disagree with what a lot of another religion says, it's not the belief or speech that is zealotry. It's the pursuit of, which require more active actions. Side question: is only religion "zealotry," or would you say the same about any sort of belief system? quote:See I’d wager it’s infinitely worse to use a platform to speak against IVF and surrogacy in the context he did then it is for a random guy on a message board to refer to that behavior as zealotry. So there is a danger to someone professing their beliefs about certain things on certain platforms? That for the safety of people, people should be allowed to say things they believe in? In certain circumstances of course. That what Butker did was... dangerous?
You’re wasting your time, he wants to bitch about something that doesn’t affect him in any way. The ignorant usually do that.
Posted on 5/19/24 at 7:41 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Alts getting that work in lol!!
Posted on 5/19/24 at 7:42 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Do you even know how to think for yourself?
NTAC…
NTAC…
Posted on 5/19/24 at 7:45 pm to DemonKA3268
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Alts getting that work in lol!!
Thanks for proving my point.
Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:00 pm to NawlinsTiger9
Still waiting for you to cry some more about what a “kicker” said.
Come on, you can do it…
Come on, you can do it…
Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:03 pm to DemonKA3268
Holy shite an octuple post. Must’ve been using IVF to make that many.
Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:16 pm to JohnnyKilroy
You guys are forgetting something about this "issue". What happens when the Chiefs visit the White House for winning the Super Bowl? Will he decide on his own not to go being a distraction. Will the WH tell the Chiefs he can't come? Last year after they won it they went to the WH on June 5th so it's coming up soon most likely.
Of course Butker would be a bigger problem than cocaine found in the WH or a trans going topless on the WH lawn. /sarcasm
Of course Butker would be a bigger problem than cocaine found in the WH or a trans going topless on the WH lawn. /sarcasm
Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:25 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Oh look darlin, another pussy…
White knighting for your bitch?
White knighting for your bitch?
Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:30 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Totally normal and well-adjusted behavior
I really appreciated hearing Freaux’s perspective even if I don’t agree, and then in comes the horde
Posted on 5/19/24 at 8:33 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Totally normal and well-adjusted behavior
Coming from someone who said it’s just a “kicker”
Didn’t know that would trigger you.
Care to cry some more? Anything else you want to “care” about?
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