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re: On this day 160 years ago, the most savage battle of the Civil War was waged in Virginia
Posted on 5/12/24 at 7:29 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 5/12/24 at 7:29 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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The reason many southern states seceded was due to the fact the rich land owners there who made up the governing as well as the plantation class were afraid they were going to lose their slaves. The north would not allow secession for any reason, and thus the war was fought. Your average southerner who did the fighting could care less about the human property at the time of rich land owners, but make no mistake that is exactly what caused the war. Well that and the fact the north refused to allow the Union to be split
You should read this.
LINK
It may change your brainwashing.
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Posted on 5/12/24 at 8:31 pm to rooster108bm
Everybody point and laugh at the Lost Causer!
Posted on 5/12/24 at 8:42 pm to rooster108bm
quote:what exactly did I say that you believe to be evidence of me being brainwashed?
You should read this. LINK It may change your brainwashing.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 8:52 pm to soccerfüt
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he only time I’ve ever had the heebie-jeebies at a US Civil War site was at the Bloody Angle.
Spotsylvania - Bloody angle
Stones River - Slaughter Pen
Gettysburg - Devils Den & Railroad Cut
Antietam - cornfield/Sunken Road
Shiloh - Bloody Pond & Hornets Nest
These two were nasty because you can just tell it would’ve been a confusing bloody mess in heavy cover:
Wilderness - battlefield caught fire
Chickamauga - bad vibes in the thick forest
This post was edited on 5/12/24 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:55 pm to RollTide1987
Many good men on both sides paid the ultimate price.
Deo vindice
God bless Dixie.
Deo vindice
God bless Dixie.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 10:08 pm to rooster108bm
Uhhh
This post was edited on 5/15/24 at 5:54 am
Posted on 5/12/24 at 11:33 pm to Woolfpack
quote:the average soldier on both sides couldn’t give a single frick about the plight of black slaves. But make no mistake the rich plantation owners in the south who controlled politics and government damn sure did.
Your average southerner who did the fighting could care less about the human property You’re really expecting me to believe that?
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 6:46 am
Posted on 5/12/24 at 11:54 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
A note on the battle
My home town is near Spotsylvania and in the 1950s you could still go to the battlefields and see what remained of trees from the battle. The trees were both big and dead. They were dead where rifle shots had been so heavy that the rounds acted as saw blades and cut though the trunks. It must have been an old growth forest to have that much dense hardwood to have survived without rotting to the ground over a century.
My home town is near Spotsylvania and in the 1950s you could still go to the battlefields and see what remained of trees from the battle. The trees were both big and dead. They were dead where rifle shots had been so heavy that the rounds acted as saw blades and cut though the trunks. It must have been an old growth forest to have that much dense hardwood to have survived without rotting to the ground over a century.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 2:51 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Fact.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:09 am to GetCocky11
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My direct ancestor proudly served the state of New Jersey at the Bloody Angle, doing his part to defeat the rebellion
….and mine, South Carolina.
Good day to you, sir.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 5:11 am to Woolfpack
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You’re really expecting me to believe that?
These weren’t relatives of plantation owners……they were the poor, impoverished and expendable.
Read more.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 6:10 am to CharlesLSU
There is an article on the “Jayhawkers” in Louisiana on wtblock.com. Couldn’t get the link to work. These were folks who didn’t want to fight for the Confederates.
My great great great grandfather was one of the Union Army Louisiana Scouts from the Catahoula Lake area. Not everyone was down for fighting the rich man’s war for the Confederates. Most plantations in Rapides Parish were in Alexandria and further south.
War is hell on earth and there is nothing glorious about it.
My great great great grandfather was one of the Union Army Louisiana Scouts from the Catahoula Lake area. Not everyone was down for fighting the rich man’s war for the Confederates. Most plantations in Rapides Parish were in Alexandria and further south.
War is hell on earth and there is nothing glorious about it.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 6:24 am to Porter Osborne Jr
I suspect hell may have been more pleasant on that day.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:30 am to RollTide1987
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a 22-inch stump of an oak tree at the Bloody Angle that was completely severed by rifle fire
Confederate earthworks at The Bloody Angle
Posted on 5/13/24 at 7:38 am to PsychTiger
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quote:
My direct ancestor proudly served the state of New Jersey at the Bloody Angle, doing his part to defeat the rebellion.
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And you call yourself a South Carolina fan
I know. Given all the victory in my family history, it seems weird that I'd be a fan of a program that does nothing but lose.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:04 am to rooster108bm
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More Americans died at Antietam than in any battle we have EVER FOUGHT IN.
Now you may pick a one day total here or there but it's a fricking FACT that more AMERICANS DIED AT THE BATTLE OF ANTIETAM than any other battle weve fought in.
Whoever taught you American history lied to you. Antietam is known as the bloodiest single day in American history. In one day 23,000 casualties, including about 5,000 dead were suffered on both sides. But that’s far from the highest casualty toll of any American battle.
There have been a number of battles with higher American casualties. For example, there were approximately 125,000 total American casualties, of which almost 30,000 were killed in the Battle of Normandy in WWII. And around 120,000 Americans became casualties with 26,000 killed in the Meuse-Argonne Offensive in WWI. That’s just two examples. When you look at deaths, the roughly 5,000 Americans who died at Antietam, also ranks behind battles such as The Battle of the Bulge, Okinawa, Hürtgen Forest, Luzon, Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima, and Anzio.
So, while Antietam is the single bloodiest day in American history, it is not the single bloodiest battle, nor did more Americans die in that battle than any other in our history.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 9:15 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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The reason many southern states seceded was due to the fact the rich land owners there who made up the governing as well as the plantation class were afraid they were going to lose their slaves. The north would not allow secession for any reason, and thus the war was fought. Your average southerner who did the fighting could care less about the human property at the time of rich land owners, but make no mistake that is exactly what caused the war. Well that and the fact the north refused to allow the Union to be split.
Ahh.. Jr. schooling all us old timers about what he learned in history class last week. I’m sure it’s correct. They haven’t rewritten history for political purposes at all.
Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:06 pm to GetCocky11
And mine in the 6thKY infantry CSA.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 5:53 am to Woolfpack
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because you were scared of the black man.
Speaking of, how many Northern states didn't allow slavery, but free blacks were not allowed to own property or live there? Let's start with Lincoln's own, Illinois.
And while we're exploring this never discussed topic, tell me what State "Jim Crow laws" originated in?
What was the meaning of the phrase "being sold down the river" before the war?
If you could take a step back, you'd see that the reality that both the North and the South treated black people like shite.
We have been conditioned to believe through Hollywood over time that in every conflict there must be an absolute of some altruistic good guys and some evil bad guys who must be defeated.
Posted on 5/14/24 at 7:34 am to Cuz413
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If you could take a step back, you'd see that the reality that both the North and the South treated black people like shite.
They can’t take a step back because their programming won’t allow them to. All they know:
Southern = white = racist
Take it a step further and they probably believe the confederates were wearing MAGA hats that day. You can’t rewrite history man
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