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re: First baseman had wrong foot on the bag restricting his ability to stretch for the throw
Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:48 pm to dkreller
Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:48 pm to dkreller
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I’m starting to think you didn’t even watch the play and are just assuming the footwork.
I watched it several time and stopped it at the point he ball appeared to be still catchable inside the field of play had Jones been able to stretch out with his gloved hand leading. Even if it was not catchable there was still a better chance than what occurred. I would like to have a view of the play from a camera facing the play from the third base side of the field to determine just how far off the throw actually was.
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Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:54 pm to hayden7cub
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Playing 1B with only one foot is incorrect. First basemen should be able to use both feet and actually shift to use the entire bag - left side and right side. And, you can cover more area using both feet.
That works only if the first baseman is ambidextrous and can change gloved hands as the throw is incoming. Other wise you clearly have a wider radius using the same foot as your throwing hand on the base.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 6:59 pm to tigersbb
The runner was already so close it wouldn’t have mattered if Jones used the footwork you suggest. In fact it probably would’ve put him closer to the runner and caused a head on collision and still no catch.
This post was edited on 5/11/24 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 5/11/24 at 7:01 pm to dkreller
Milazzo called off Herring and made a bad throw.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 7:11 pm to dkreller
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The runner was already so close it wouldn’t have mattered if Jones used the footwork you suggest. In fact it probably would’ve put him closer to the runner and caused a head on collision and still no catch.
Nothing I posted advocated Jones ever going into the base path. He either remains standing in the field of play with his foot against the bag or he moves forward to snag the throw up the line. He actually very narrowly avoided a major collision at the bag as he tried to lunge at the last moment with the ball already past him. He ducked his head and rolled to avoid being hit by the runner's leg.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 7:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
you idk how he makes that catch without being trucked by the runner who was in the lane.
this was 100% on Milazzo.
it sucks and we all like Milazzo, but that was a bad play on his part.
like Milazzo SHOULD throw the ball inside the 1st baseline.
So it doesn’t make sense for Jones to set up so that if Milazzo makes the correct throw he’s what? a catch with his back facing milazzo? what are you saying?
this was 100% on Milazzo.
it sucks and we all like Milazzo, but that was a bad play on his part.
like Milazzo SHOULD throw the ball inside the 1st baseline.
So it doesn’t make sense for Jones to set up so that if Milazzo makes the correct throw he’s what? a catch with his back facing milazzo? what are you saying?
This post was edited on 5/11/24 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 5/11/24 at 7:24 pm to Ed Osteen
Nope. All on catcher.
Plenty of time to scoop, get the handle and set his feet.
Instead, he barehanded (without ‘nose in dirt’) and threw off balance on the run. …
The runner played that one perfect and cut off the throwing lane. If Milazzo would have just pegged him, he would have been out.
Plenty of time to scoop, get the handle and set his feet.
Instead, he barehanded (without ‘nose in dirt’) and threw off balance on the run. …
The runner played that one perfect and cut off the throwing lane. If Milazzo would have just pegged him, he would have been out.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 7:33 pm to tigersbb
The only way whatever you have worked out in your head actually executes is if Jones knows exactly where the ball is going to be thrown.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 8:34 pm to tigersbb
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The right handed first baseman should have had his right foot on the bag which would have allowed for him to stretch further and possibly catch the ball. That is a basic fundamental but I see this improper footwork frequently by today's players. I would like to see a a clear video of the play but it sure seems like he could have caught it using proper mechanics.
This shows just how little you actually know about baseball. I guess if Kling would start ‘squishing the bug’ at the plate he start hitting the ball better.
Posted on 5/11/24 at 8:44 pm to tigersbb
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I didn't say stand with his foot across the bag. He should set his right foot AGAINST the bag with his body in a semi crouch allowing him flexibility to move in either direction and catch the damn ball in the field of play without " face planitng" into the runner. When he sees the ball is off target he has the option to stretch and maintain contact with the base which seems plausible by the photos. But even if the throw was farther up the line a quick step and/ or lunge toward home makes it likely the ball doesn't leave the field. I agree an errant throw toward the infield side would be more challenging but the odds of that are far less than what did happen.
Right. But your scenario is trying to prepare for the harder play. That’s not how baseball works. Everyone has assigned jobs to do. Milazzo in this case did not do his assigned job which is delivering the ball in the window that Jones appropriately provided him.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 10:32 am to tigersbb
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tigersbb
With your vast knowledge of the techniques of playing first base, you should do the LSU nation a favor and demand a try out with the team. If that doesn't work, demand you replace CJJ immediately.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 12:11 pm to LSU Bayou Jim
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With your vast knowledge of the techniques of playing first base, you should do the LSU nation a favor and demand a try out with the team. If that doesn't work, demand you replace CJJ immediately.
Unlike many on this board I don't have a coaching license. I do know that Jones technique on that throw didn't succeed. Had he executed as I suggested it is very possible he could have gotten the out or at worse stopped the ball from leaving the field and allowing the winning run to score.
I checked multiple videos with major leaguers and coaches teaching first base fundamentals and all state the fielder should locate the base and place both heels on the inside of the base. Then when the throw is made slid the foot on the non glove hand side to the CORNER of the bag. Again as I said he should be in a semi crouch position with the glove about chest high ready to move as needed if the throw is not on target.
The ONLY time the first baseman should place the left foot against the bag to give a clear window is when the catcher is throwing from right in front of the plate on a bunt or a tapped ball. The throw on Friday night was from the middle of the diamond near the mound and more often would be a thro from the pitcher. The regular foot placement that I advocated would have been correct.
The results of the play speak for themselves. I cannot conclusively state Jones would have caught the ball had he used different footwork but the throw as seen from the video angle appears to be close enough to have been caught. He would at least have had a better chance. Obviously what he did left no chance.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 12:14 pm to vidtiger23
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Right. But your scenario is trying to prepare for the harder play. That’s not how baseball works. Everyone has assigned jobs to do. Milazzo in this case did not do his assigned job which is delivering the ball in the window that Jones appropriately provided him.
A good first baseman always prepares for an errant throw. He cannot assume every play and throw is made properly. That's absurd. No question Milazzo executed poorly but Jones still could have saved the ball from leaving the field.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 12:40 pm to tigersbb
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would like to see a a clear video of the play but it sure seems like he could have caught it using proper mechanics.
The ball was throw 3 feet off target pulling him into the path of the runner. Wtf are you talking about.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 12:45 pm to tigersbb
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tigersbb
Let it go. You are wrong.
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I checked multiple videos with major leaguers and coaches teaching first base fundamentals
Oh never mind. You watched unrelated youtube videos. You are an expert. It has nothing to do with the errant throw from a short distance from someone with a cannon.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 12:53 pm to tigersbb
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or at worse stopped the ball from leaving the field and allowing the winning run to score.
Two outs and the bases were loaded. Wtf are you talking about?
Dude just give it a rest.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 12:55 pm to tigersbb
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The ONLY time the first baseman should place the left foot against the bag to give a clear window is when the catcher is throwing from right in front of the plate on a bunt or a tapped ball. The throw on Friday night was from the middle of the diamond near the mound and more often would be a thro from the pitcher.
that’s where BUNTS go
Posted on 5/12/24 at 12:57 pm to SammyTiger
He’s a 6’3” idiot.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 1:01 pm to tigersbb
Have you ever been on first base with a runner crashing down the line. He positioned himself correctly in the scenario. The “all world defensive wizard catcher” has to make that throw. It’s a tough play on everyone. But it’s an E2 all day long in every scorers book.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 1:24 pm to tigersbb
I played D1, 1Band coached D1, infielders but don’t take my word for it. Go find yourself a glove and do it your way - step across with you glove hand and stretch across as far as you can, and then use the entire bag and use the other foot to stretch in the same direction, which I described. You pick up about 6 inches.
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