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re: Trump & plans for the Mexican drug cartels

Posted on 5/10/24 at 6:59 pm to
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21962 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 6:59 pm to
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... the last clown that did this (Obama) got the Nobel Peace Prize for doing it!



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Nominations for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize closed just 11 days after Obama took office. Obama was nominated less than two weeks in office.

Please try again.


Obama was awarded the Nobel Prize, for running for President

Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
7241 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 7:06 pm to
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Maybe you need to be looked into from how you really do not care. Maybe, you are a big part of the problem.


Found the fatty lacking in self control.
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
7241 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 7:36 pm to
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It will cost a lot to ship these ILLEGALS ALIENS out.


We will have to let millions upon millions in as refugees. There is a cost related to that and they get to stay here indefinitely whole the War on Drugs is prosecuted.

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GTFO with refugees commie.


I’m not a commie and if was that would make this entire fricking board full of commies.


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Stop the people from shipping the crap into our country.


That won’t ever happen. You’re also ignoring that the cartels manufacture drugs here.

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What is coming is going to either change you into a functioning citizen or a person that gets swept into the depths of the terrible crap that has been brought on by the uniparty/dems/mafia/cartels.


We own a successful business. But nice try. I’m MAGA, bud. Not the enemy.

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You need some education and religious faith.


I’m good there too.

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You just gave up your only excuse for being stupid.


Sigh.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
2392 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 7:45 pm to
There is no way you can say that you are MAGA and not want the cartels destroyed. I would say you are female (maybe) and have no idea how to stop a huge problem. Huge problems require huge responses. Sometimes they are difficult and expensive but does not change the fact that they are necessary. Your mentality about the cure is the reason the disease will fester.
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
7241 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:24 pm to
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There is no way you can say that you are MAGA and not want the cartels destroyed.


That’s BS and you know it.

You can’t be MAGA while playing world police with a country on our border that will create 10s of millions of refugees we will be legally obligated to keep, feed, clothe, house and provide medical services for. You can’t be MAGA and bitch about out of control spending all while going to war and spending untold billions on an unwinnable war. You cannot be serious in thinking that you can stop the flow of drugs to a populace that wants them. No nation on earth can do that. Sometimes you have to accept that people are going to do self destructive things no matter how well intentioned you may be. Reality is what it is. The disease you’re saying that I allow to fester isn’t fixable by government action. It’s fixable by the individual. For me, I’ll throw my trust in Jesus and His teachings for others they can find that fix in the same place, other faiths or simply trying to live a clean life absent a religious backing. We do a ton of work with organizations that treat addiction, behavioral health and other ills throughout California. You can’t save them all but that doesn’t stop us from trying. I hope that clears some things up for you and your misconceptions about me. Have a good evening, Warboo.
Posted by Feelthebarn
Lower Alabama
Member since Nov 2012
2435 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:46 pm to
The Mexican cartels have done more than enough to be declared war against
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11400 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:22 pm to
Raids into Mexico would create a massive terror campaign on our soil, with a lot of Americans tortured and killed.

I'm the only candidate that has a true strategy for the border. I've put it out many times, here, in detail, even showing how much money we'd save after paying for it, and paying to build a ton of new factories on the border to help make this a win-win for everyone.

The decisive point here is the border - When the border is secured, the nefarious actors within the country are now isolated, their freedom of maneuver can be slowly restrained and they can be found and apprehended, then removed. Their best course of action will be to abandon their operations and self-deport. As well, there is no more invasion, no more hostile encroachments upon our soil. We do not have to attack into Mexico in order to secure our border.

500k troops on the border treated as a combat deployment. Give Border Patrol the same package, plus bonuses for all they've had to endure. The entire border is covered with personnel and obstacles. No entry. No asylum. No benefits. Tax the hell out of remittances. Incentivize self-deportation. Cut off the UN and all the NGOs and eradicate the WEF. Invalidate every order from Biden giving temporary status to those that invaded our nation. EO on anchor babies and even make it retroactive (please don't try to argue this, it's not in the Constitution, it's a footnote in a SCOTUS decision and has no legal weight, a footnote is not law). Start cutting checks to build a wall while you seal the border. Every sanctuary jurisdiction in the nation will be completely cut off from federal money. They are engaging in subversion and other crimes. And more...

This is going to take real leadership, not puffery, which is all we'll get from Trump. It will require someone who will to take action, not ask for permission, and not seek forgiveness, but to act and dare Congress and the Courts to engage in a constitutional crisis after they have both acted in direct opposition to the national interests and national security concerns of the nation, as well as obligations contained in the Constitution. They have engaged in the controlled demolition of the United States and that must be confronted and reversed.

I will meet them in that fight at any time and any place. There is no clearer national security obligation than to secure one's own borders. Of all the people in the federal government that are responsible for national security, the most important single person with the most responsibility and the most authority is the unitary executive, the President. Our Founders created a unitary executive for a reason. It's not a council, not a committee, not a group of elders. It's a unitary executive, and there is no requirement for a declaration of war when defending the nation.

This invasion can be stopped once a leader is elected that decides to stop it, and it can be done in a relatively short amount of time, but the bad news is this - securing the border will be just one part of what we have to do as a consequence of this invasion. We'll have to start a nationwide effort to verify citizenship. They are handing out IDs to people that have invaded our nation and these will be used to get to voter registrations. Our voter rolls will have to be completely re-done and that's going to be a major, major, major muscle movement for this nation. However, if we want election integrity, it will have to be done.

A lot of damage to our nation has been done. There's going to be a crisis and some turbulent times - it will come either as we are in the death throes as a nation, or as we reclaim a constitutional form of government and restore the People to their rightful place, being the fountain of all power and authority in this nation. Either way, everyone should prepare for some tough times. We can still do this at the ballot box, but the tough times will manifest, regardless.
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
12244 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:23 pm to
Tom Clancy novel.
Posted by FLTech
the A
Member since Sep 2017
12672 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:24 pm to
Oh but Mexican cartels trafficking millions of people into our country along with drugs that are killing hundreds of thousands of people is not a war crime. That’s perfectly okay huh?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
27721 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:26 pm to
Fukkin Obama gets it for "changing the tone" and then gives a speech that justifies the use of force in the furtherance of obtaining peace.

But I can't think of a worse idea than giving our SF free reign inside of Mexico to pursue the cartels. Forget lack of cooperation from Mexico, you make regular Americans in Mexico all targets as well.

Here's a novel approach.....don't do drugs. Stop the consumption and the demand.
Posted by BuzzSaw 12
The Dark Side Of The Moon
Member since Dec 2010
5275 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:35 pm to
If you declare war on the cartels you are by default declaring war on a certain 3 letter agency that shall remain unnamed. Sounds juicy!

Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19663 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:40 pm to
My handy man just went back to visit relatives in El Salvador. He is very happy that anyone in gangs has been put in prison. He said that any business had to pay protection money daily and that gangs would go to people's homes and demand money at night.

Lock 'em up.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
17950 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:58 pm to
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What could possibly happen if we declare war on the cartels???



The USA would win and there would be no cartels left
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
17950 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:01 pm to
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The POTUS unilaterally ordering the execution of foreign nationals on foreign soil is a terrible idea and would be a war crime



Negative ghostrider. The cartel has infiltrated into the USA they need to be taken out. What you think other countries would do if the cartels set up shop in other countries? I will hang up and listen
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
17950 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:04 pm to
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They’ve invaded our country. I have no problem doing whatever it takes to destroy their entire operation from production to personnel. Get rid of em all.



Bingo we have a winner.
Posted by rmc
Truth or Consequences
Member since Sep 2004
26548 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:05 pm to
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The POTUS unilaterally ordering the execution of foreign nationals on foreign soil is a terrible idea and would be a war crime. But hey, the last clown that did this (Obama) got the Nobel Peace Prize for doing it!


He didn’t exactly have a problem with executing US citizens on foreign soil either.
Posted by Spaniard
Madisonville
Member since Apr 2011
764 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:07 pm to
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no just no. You'll have a refugee crisis the likes of which we've never seen and it will actually have standing. The refugees will be able to come here


With all due respect you don’t know what the hell you are talking about here. The average Mexican citizen would welcome taking out these scum bags who are preying on their children and destroying their way of life. It’s past time to eradicate this evil parasite . Mexico shut down the border on command when orange was president . What does that tell you ?
frick the UN and whoever else don’t like it. They are a direct threat to the American people.
Posted by Double Oh
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
17950 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:10 pm to
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he Mexican cartels have done more than enough to be declared war against




Bingo another winner..
Posted by Figgy
CenCal
Member since May 2020
7241 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:42 pm to
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The average Mexican citizen would welcome taking out these scum bags who are preying on their children and destroying their way of life.


They’d flee here, make no mistake about it. They already do and there isn’t an active shooting war between our military and their country. I’d laugh my arse off if 10-20million Mexicans came across the border and declared refugee status after this started. We can barely handle a sliver of that now. But you guys are advocating for that to happen in a matter of months not years.

You guys are delusional. You truly are. There isn’t winning a war like this. But there would be rebuilding Mexico and I’m more than willing to bet that the people advocating for this lunacy are against nation building.

You are not going to seal a border that quite literally can be exploited via land, sea and air. We aren’t sealing all of that. There is no naval blockade of Mexico as has been previously suggested in the past.

This entire topic is pure fantasy made by people that have no idea what they’re talking about. Partake in it if you like but it will never ever happen and we all know it. There are so many negatives that come with this and you still wouldn’t slow the influx of drugs because they’re here too and not just in Mexico. Fantasy is what you’re engaging in. Have fun with it but don’t ever expect this to be reality.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
18722 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 10:58 pm to
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ou wont need a ground game for taking out cartel leaders.


The hell you won't, you ALWAYS need a ground game. Always.

The shock and awe of the first gulf war? Yep, facilitated by ground game. Guys in country lighting targets for all of those smart bombs.

I love the downvotes my first post got. I am likely one of two guys on TD who knows most intimately what the 160th is about.

They don't do compound ruination from the air, if that is all you want go with drone strikes.

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