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No Fly List and Revoke Student Visa

Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:40 am
Posted by Nikki_T
Portola Valley
Member since Feb 2021
306 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:40 am
Under a new bill being proposed by Sen Marsha Blackburn will have pro-Hamas protesters placed on the No-Fly list and student visas revoked.

I approve 100%!

The bill is appropriately called:

No Flights for Terrorists Act

Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8286 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:43 am to
What happens when the dems claim MAGA is a terrorist group? Will Republican supporters be on no fly list?

Save the list for threats. Not protesters.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 11:44 am
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
49029 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:43 am to
I swear the GOP is full of morons just like the Dems.

Yeah so let's pass a law that criminalizes speech. Give me a break
Posted by Laugh More
Member since Jan 2022
1102 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:45 am to
Same thing I’ve said with the Israeli hate speech. Once you open that door, people can internet it however they want.

Same with just normal speech. They use the “fire in a theater” as a way to say you can’t say certain things in certain situations because it could cause a harmful action and reaction.

They use this to say that anything anti-trans is violent speech and causes harm and they want to jail/cancel people who do. Evil stuff
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26622 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:48 am to
Yea, this falls squarely into the "this will totally not backfire spectacularly and eventually be used on people that you happen to agree with" category of government overreach.
Posted by Datbawwwww
Member since Oct 2023
233 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:52 am to
Are you aware the most of these Ivy League schools are around 60% foreign students? I’d say the intent of this bill would be to send terrorist supporting student back to their home country.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 1:09 pm
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50675 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:54 am to
I fully support the revoking visas part. Foreigners shouldn't be allowed to come here and protest our country.
Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
51792 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:57 am to
I like the idea, but it flies directly against the First Amendment. Besides, there's already laws which can be pursued:

Iran is considered to be an enemy of the US. Iran funds Hamas to the point where they are Iran's proxy in all but formal name, therefore supporting Hamas is to support Iran. Those supporting Hamas are therefore guilty of Treason while those encouraging them are guilty of Sedition.

I wouldn't mind the penalty for Sedition be elevated to add the potential for the death penalty (as there is with Treason).


Just like with the border issue, extra laws aren't going to do shite about frick when current laws (ones which already cover the issue) are purposely not being enforced.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82159 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:58 am to
Really terrible bill and precedent. No one should support this (on either political side)
Posted by Laugh More
Member since Jan 2022
1102 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:58 am to
quote:

the intent of this bill


Irrelevant in the hands of the Left.
Posted by midnight orange
Member since Oct 2020
306 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:59 am to
quote:

Are you aware the most of these Ivy League cools are around 60% foreign students? I’d say the intent of this bill would be to send terrorist supporting student back to their home country.


Then make the bill say that and only that.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
3293 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:02 pm to
If you stand out side... Chant etc no big deal
You meet with leadership to advance your views - great
You sponsor guest speakers ... Fine

You take over a building cause you are a petulant fool...I can see some ramifications like deportation or no fly
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
12244 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:08 pm to
If they are just protesting, no. If they are threatening people, occupying buildings, breaking the law, then yes.

Then find an old Liberty ship and take them to that new pier we built in Gaza.

While we are at it deport all who have illegally entered this country.
Posted by Privateer 2007
Member since Jan 2020
6220 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:13 pm to
quote:

first amendment


Foreign Students

As long as they keep it to foreigners, I have no issue.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
49029 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

Are you aware the most of these Ivy League cools are around 60% foreign students? I’d say the intent of this bill would be to send terrorist supporting student back to their home country.


I don't care. Its truly the beginning of the end when we start criminalizing regular epeech
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
13510 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

If you stand out side... Chant etc no big deal
You meet with leadership to advance your views - great
You sponsor guest speakers ... Fine

You take over a building cause you are a petulant fool...I can see some ramifications like deportation or no fly


This and this. Some of you have vastly misunderstood "free speech". If I am on campus and want to walk to class, I should not have to walk all the way around "common grounds" lest I be cussed, threatened and physically attacked.

Your rights STOP when they infringe on others. This bullshite about "protests must be uncomfortable" is just that bullshite, and its certainly not free speech.
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
12116 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 1:04 pm to
Great idea so pass it immediately and let the Dems do their Marxist counter argument
Posted by Nikki_T
Portola Valley
Member since Feb 2021
306 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 1:11 pm to
Blackburn’s bill would put any individual including: students, faculty, professors, or paid agitators, on the no-fly list if they have called for violence against Jewish people, pledged allegiance to terrorists groups, or have been subject to disciplinary action by the school related to such. The bill is clearly directed at Hamas terrorist sympathizers. In addition, it will bar students from federal loans.
Posted by Nikki_T
Portola Valley
Member since Feb 2021
306 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 1:14 pm to
Calling for violence against Jewish people is NOT regular speech, it is a threat of violence.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted by LRB1967
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2020
15810 posts
Posted on 5/10/24 at 1:33 pm to
I support immediate deportation of the pro-Hamas protesters if they are here on student visas.
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