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re: Variations in Human Intelligence vs Animal Intelligence
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:58 am to sidewalkside
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:58 am to sidewalkside
Going by the creatures I know best, there is considerable variation in dog intelligence, and not just by breed. I think farmers would tell you that cows, pigs, and horses vary in intelligence too. In general, I don't think humans give other animals enough credit for how intelligent they are. Instincts play a large part, for sure, but there is individual intelligence on top of that. They are not automatrons -- and we are animals too.
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:02 pm to sidewalkside
some dog breeds are known to be smarter than others, crows are smarter than other birds
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:02 pm to sidewalkside
absolutely. at least in animals where it is easy to somewhat gauge their intelligence.
I have 2 dogs.
and one is definitely craftier than the other.
If my older dog has a bone, toy, or just sitting in the spot that my younger dog wants, the younger dog will growl and bark while running toward the door.
Older dogs thinks something is happening, so he abandons his spot or toy to go growl and bark too.
Younger dog now takes what was abandoned by older dog and is happy as can be.
Older dog gives him this look like "you bastard! you tricked me!"
this happens damn near daily. and the older dog still falls for it EVERY FREAKING TIME.
I have 2 dogs.
and one is definitely craftier than the other.
If my older dog has a bone, toy, or just sitting in the spot that my younger dog wants, the younger dog will growl and bark while running toward the door.
Older dogs thinks something is happening, so he abandons his spot or toy to go growl and bark too.
Younger dog now takes what was abandoned by older dog and is happy as can be.
Older dog gives him this look like "you bastard! you tricked me!"
this happens damn near daily. and the older dog still falls for it EVERY FREAKING TIME.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:05 pm to sidewalkside
I would expect with herding animals, such as zebras, variations from average would be detrimental to an individual. Instinctive behaviors, such as favoring being in the middle of a herd, would likely be beneficial.
With omnivores and carnivores, often pack animals, higher intelligence would make hunting more effective.
I've had dogs who would stalk a squirrel, and when it ran for the tree, the dog learned to cut the angle, anticipating where the squirrel would end up. Other dogs always simply chased directly behind, never figuring out another strategy.
Observing and anticipating behaviors and adjusting techniques for success is a fairly simple metric for intelligence in animals.
With omnivores and carnivores, often pack animals, higher intelligence would make hunting more effective.
I've had dogs who would stalk a squirrel, and when it ran for the tree, the dog learned to cut the angle, anticipating where the squirrel would end up. Other dogs always simply chased directly behind, never figuring out another strategy.
Observing and anticipating behaviors and adjusting techniques for success is a fairly simple metric for intelligence in animals.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:14 pm to sidewalkside
How is the bell curve woke? Thought they were against numbers and facts.
There will always be a median intelligence with a few highs and lows and most people somewhere in the middle. Now, whether or not the historical 100 is still the average IQ can be up for debate.
There will always be a median intelligence with a few highs and lows and most people somewhere in the middle. Now, whether or not the historical 100 is still the average IQ can be up for debate.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:22 pm to LSUBFA83
Crows are extremely good at processing situations and developing solutions. So are octopus (-pi?).
Watched a video of Killer Whales work in unison to create enough wave action to wash a seal off a sheet of ice that was adrift.
At some point we’re going to crack that insect “code” and find out that perhaps bees, ants and other colony bugs actually do have a degree of intelligence much higher than we believed.
Watched a video of Killer Whales work in unison to create enough wave action to wash a seal off a sheet of ice that was adrift.
At some point we’re going to crack that insect “code” and find out that perhaps bees, ants and other colony bugs actually do have a degree of intelligence much higher than we believed.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:27 pm to CocomoLSU
"I’ve seen a dog eat something nasty, throw it up, eat the vomit, and throw up again"
When I first got my pups about 8 years ago I'd put bottled water in their drink bowls thinking I was taking good care of them. One day I walk outside and they're both drinking out of a mudhole. I'm like "yeah, I think I can give them tap water from now on." lol
When I first got my pups about 8 years ago I'd put bottled water in their drink bowls thinking I was taking good care of them. One day I walk outside and they're both drinking out of a mudhole. I'm like "yeah, I think I can give them tap water from now on." lol
Posted on 5/10/24 at 12:30 pm to sidewalkside
short answer, yes there is variation amongst a species.
slightly longer answer. Look at the phylogenetic tree. if you dont know what that is, very crudely, it is like a "family tree" for all species. things at the low end of the tree are simple uncomplicated creatures. The higher on the tree you climb, the more "Evolved" or complicated a species is. Humans would be at the apex of the tree.
i think as you climb up that tree, you see more variations amongst a species in individuals. For for example, a chimpanzees probably have a higher degree of variation, and, you will find "smart" chimps, and "dumb chimps". the lower on the tree, i find the more uniform species become. one roach is basicaly no different than another roach.
slightly longer answer. Look at the phylogenetic tree. if you dont know what that is, very crudely, it is like a "family tree" for all species. things at the low end of the tree are simple uncomplicated creatures. The higher on the tree you climb, the more "Evolved" or complicated a species is. Humans would be at the apex of the tree.
i think as you climb up that tree, you see more variations amongst a species in individuals. For for example, a chimpanzees probably have a higher degree of variation, and, you will find "smart" chimps, and "dumb chimps". the lower on the tree, i find the more uniform species become. one roach is basicaly no different than another roach.
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