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Does school rankings matter for elementary and middle vs high school?
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:16 am
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:16 am
How do you evaluate elementary schools? Isn’t it just glorified daycare? High schools release avg sat which is pretty reliable but unsure how elementary and middle can be evaluated.
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:18 am to fareplay
IMO it's all about peer groups
I'd rather my kids be with mediocre teachers and curriculum in an old, bland established elementary school fed by involved, wholesome (preferably conservative/traditional minded) families than an elementary school being fed by something else even if they're pumping big money and the best teachers into it.
ETA: Elementary schools are smaller and it's easier to assess in my opinion. You want a neighborhood elementary school fed by a strong, established neighborhood if going public. Middle and HS are when it gets harder to gauge because you're typically pulling from a bigger footprint.
I'd rather my kids be with mediocre teachers and curriculum in an old, bland established elementary school fed by involved, wholesome (preferably conservative/traditional minded) families than an elementary school being fed by something else even if they're pumping big money and the best teachers into it.
ETA: Elementary schools are smaller and it's easier to assess in my opinion. You want a neighborhood elementary school fed by a strong, established neighborhood if going public. Middle and HS are when it gets harder to gauge because you're typically pulling from a bigger footprint.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 8:20 am
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:20 am to fareplay
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Isn’t it just glorified daycare?
Well daycare didn't teach my kindergartener to read and multiply, his elementary school teacher did.
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ETA: Elementary schools are smaller and it's easier to assess in my opinion. You want a neighborhood elementary school fed by a strong, established neighborhood if going public.
Yes!
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 8:22 am
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:21 am to Pettifogger
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I'd rather my kids be with mediocre teachers and curriculum in an old, bland established elementary school fed by involved, wholesome (preferably conservative/traditional minded) families
Agree. Reading to your kids early and often will set them up for early success.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:21 am to fareplay
more so
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:22 am to Pettifogger
Yes, it matters.
Your kids will model behavior of fellow students be it good or bad.
Burnout teachers often make for less than ideal students.
Your kids will model behavior of fellow students be it good or bad.
Burnout teachers often make for less than ideal students.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:22 am to fareplay
Do, not does, so obviously yes.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:22 am to Pettifogger
Good feedback. The elementary school is the lowest rated of the 3 so slightly concerned. I used to teach one at Bryan elementary and thought it was mostly lack of support at home and wasn’t sure how it translates.
School in question:
LINK .
School in question:
LINK .
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:23 am to fareplay
They absolutely does...
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:30 am to fareplay
None of us can probably give you much feedback on how to assess WA schools, if we're being honest.
You really have to understand the dynamics of the feeding areas. 35% minority enrollment, reading numbers, etc. will tell SOME story, but that means different things in different regions.
For example, if you took the numbers of Lake Highlands High in Dallas, you'd probably avoid. But some of those numbers have been the same for years and it's consistently pumped out big school matriculating kids who do very well and who enjoy HS life. You'd have to understand that half the kids live in apartments and half the kids live in established neighborhoods and there has traditionally been minimal overlap to understand how a 50% minority school with bad test results is mostly fine. We have some similar schools in Atlanta.
But, a caveat is that those numbers typically aren't reflected in the elementary levels, because they're neighborhood schools and are only fed by a subset of the HS footprint (ie, mostly apts or mostly SFH in nice areas).
You really have to understand the dynamics of the feeding areas. 35% minority enrollment, reading numbers, etc. will tell SOME story, but that means different things in different regions.
For example, if you took the numbers of Lake Highlands High in Dallas, you'd probably avoid. But some of those numbers have been the same for years and it's consistently pumped out big school matriculating kids who do very well and who enjoy HS life. You'd have to understand that half the kids live in apartments and half the kids live in established neighborhoods and there has traditionally been minimal overlap to understand how a 50% minority school with bad test results is mostly fine. We have some similar schools in Atlanta.
But, a caveat is that those numbers typically aren't reflected in the elementary levels, because they're neighborhood schools and are only fed by a subset of the HS footprint (ie, mostly apts or mostly SFH in nice areas).
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:34 am to fareplay
School rankings are weird. Diversity is a criteria in them. I ignore that. For us, we value the HS ranking most so we are in the feeder pattern for the HS with strong college placement scores.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:38 am to fareplay
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How do you evaluate elementary schools? Isn’t it just glorified daycare? High schools release avg sat which is pretty reliable but unsure how elementary and middle can be evaluated.
i literally do not understand how you can be this fricking stupid
would you send you kids to the worst elementary schools in your area...you know since its just day care right?
middle school you are learning algebra 1 and even geometry if at a really good school, physical science, english 1 and spanish 1.
do you really think not getting a really good base of math, science, and grammer in elementary school are not important?
go watch season 2 of the wire....that is what a lot of middle schools are like in big cities. No fricking way would i ever let my kids be subjected to that kind of jungle.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:39 am to CunningLinguist
For middle and high school, kids will get out of school what they put in. Even in low to mid ranked schools the kids in the advanced classes will get a good education.
I would look at school demographics as that will be a measure of how violent the school is.
My kids were in advanced classes in mid to low ranked schools and got into good colleges with good scholarships.
I would look at school demographics as that will be a measure of how violent the school is.
My kids were in advanced classes in mid to low ranked schools and got into good colleges with good scholarships.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:49 am to fareplay
In Louisiana, elementary and middle school rankings (school assessment scores) are more accurate representations of academic achievement than the high school scores, honestly.
High school scores can be easily manipulated since about 50% of it is based on graduation rates and diploma strength, which is easily manipulated by principals (just make sure everybody graduates whether they deserve it or not). The other 50% is test scores/act scores and student progress.
Middle and Elementary schools are like 75% test scores and 25% progress...no way to manipulate those.
Find out which middle schools feed into which high schools and you'll have a better idea of testing/academic performance than just looking at the rankings. Compare that to whatever else you find important...location, demographics, etc and make your decision.
High school scores can be easily manipulated since about 50% of it is based on graduation rates and diploma strength, which is easily manipulated by principals (just make sure everybody graduates whether they deserve it or not). The other 50% is test scores/act scores and student progress.
Middle and Elementary schools are like 75% test scores and 25% progress...no way to manipulate those.
Find out which middle schools feed into which high schools and you'll have a better idea of testing/academic performance than just looking at the rankings. Compare that to whatever else you find important...location, demographics, etc and make your decision.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:54 am to fareplay
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How do you evaluate elementary schools? Isn’t it just glorified daycare?
You want some shitbag school influencing your child from 5/6 until they are 12?? I'll take top elementary schools all day
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:58 am to HoustonChick86
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Well daycare didn't teach my kindergartener to read and multiply, his elementary school teacher did.
But did they potty-train the kiddo???
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:59 am to HoustonChick86
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Well daycare didn't teach my kindergartener to read and multiply, his elementary school teacher did.
PreK-4 at the church, all the kids could read on 1st grade level, add/subtract. Some knew their multiplication tables up to 10.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:06 am to fareplay
quote:figure out which feeder schools go to the good high schools and start there. glad i could help.
High schools release avg sat which is pretty reliable but unsure how elementary and middle can be evaluated.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:09 am to fareplay
Texas tries so fricking hard to be coastal elite. shite kickers.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 9:24 am to fareplay
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unsure how elementary and middle can be evaluated.
It’s easy. Can they read or write at their grade level
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