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re: The Official Trade Proposal Thread
Posted on 5/10/24 at 2:45 pm to Macintosh504
Posted on 5/10/24 at 2:45 pm to Macintosh504
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I really do think at the very least we could get Detroits pick and a young player from them for BI. But I know that’s the last thing Griff wants to do
To me this is very intriguing. I know the draft is weak but a guy like Nikola Topic would be a young nice pg on a cheap contract that could help us or even a center that fits with Zion. But you’re right Griffin will see this as a step back unless he thinks the prospect could help us immediately.
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 2:45 pm to Fun Bunch
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Teddy is deeply overvaluing BI and Nance (who has very little value as well), and raping the hell out of the other teams.
Nance is worthless. he was sent out for salary filler.
Where i misjudged is i was assuming the Hawks need to send a 1st to the Nets for them absorbing Capela.
My valuation for BI was Murray and a 1st.
Are you telling me if we wanted to trade BI at the trade deadline this year, that everyone would have been ok with a straight up BI for Murray trade? They've been in the league for 5+ years each, their value didn't drastically change in 2 months.
As i said, no one is trading for BI without talking about an extension. If we have to trade BI without him signing the extension with the new team, then yeah we might not be getting great offers for him.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 2:48 pm to TeddyPadillac
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They've been in the league for 5+ years each, their value didn't drastically change in 2 months.
BIs value took a hit in the 2 months. No one was talking about us trying to trade BI at deadline and yes his playoff performance hurt his value. I agree overall though I still think we can get good value for him.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 2:57 pm to Pels_Yaz
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I get BI sucked in the playoffs but you guys have dropped this guy to be some dead weight player no one wants.
Half of the anti-BI guys are just going off mob mentality at this point. They've just been rage-posting each other into hating one of the 7-8 best players in franchise history.
Other GMs will see:
1. BI can create and score in very unique ways in the middle of the floor.
2. BI was coming off of a very scary knee injury and was likely a mixture of rusty, out of shape, and tentative on the knee. That's not a good combo when the refs are letting a defender mug you.
3. BI was not really put in a position to succeed with his lack of a consistent role.
Whether you agree with the above or not, other GMs can see that he's still a very talented scorer and will believe he can help their team. And many of them will be right.
I will close with the simple fact that 60% on middies is better for your offense and defense than 40% on 3s. Now, back to your regularly scheduled shallow-analytics rageposting.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 5/10/24 at 2:59 pm to Pels_Yaz
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BIs value took a hit in the 2 months.
I'm not saying it didn't, but it's no where near as much as all of the bias people here think.
From an outsiders perspective, they don't care what happened in our sweep. BI was being rushed back from injury and we had no Zion. Most people literally do not care about what happened in his last 6 games. He was playing phenomal basketball up until he got hurt. More GM's will remember the BI from January to March 21st that was average 20 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds on 38% 3 point shooting on a team that was 25-13 (54 win pace team) during that time.
You guys like to talk about the change CJ made but don't care to acknowledge that BI took the least amount of shots in his career as a Pelican this year, averaged less points b/c of it but became more of a facilitator in the offense. That's what's promising to other GM's about him right now. He allowed Zion to score more, and he allowed CJ and Trey to be themselves and showed he can be the #2 guy, but we just forget all of that happened b/c of the last 6 games.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 3:02 pm to whatiknowsofar
I didn’t realize this board was full of that many slow adults. It’s nice that they give you guys computer access.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 3:06 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
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I will close with the simple fact that 60% on middies is better for your offense and defense than 40% on 3s.
I was with you until you said this. What are you exactly basing this off of? And if this was the case why is the entire NBA increasing their 3 pts attempts?
You actual had some good points and this crazy concluding statement completely ruined it.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 5/10/24 at 3:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I'm not saying it didn't, but it's no where near as much as all of the bias people here think.
I agree. I think they still care about his performance in the playoffs but you’re right they may attribute that to a multitude of factors. I just think high scoring wings like BI don’t really come available on the market and there will be a team that thinks they can get the best out of him and he can help them compete.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 3:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I'm not saying it didn't, but it's no where near as much as all of the bias people here think.
I'm actually going to say it didn't. BI failed at putting a team on his back with no other star to help. Nobody trading for BI will be looking for him to carry a team, let alone by himself. People looking at BI as a scoring wing to take pressure off of their existing star(s) will still think he's one of the top options available.
Also, for as much as people here want to act like trade values are static and tied to how good a player is, it really changes each trade season based on supply and demand. If all of the rumored to be available star players are on the market, that's a supply problem for the Pels. But if the Cavs make the ECF or further, do they talk themselves into keeping Mitchell? Have the Wolves gone far enough to take KAT off the market? Paul George, Klay Thompson, and Jimmy Butler are about money more than the players wanting to go to a new team. Will their teams cave and pay them?
All of those players being on the market vs. none of them being on the market changes the equation drastically for how valuable BI is this summer.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 3:44 pm to TeddyPadillac
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My valuation for BI was Murray and a 1st.
I’d say it’s the opposite.
BI and first for Murray
Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:00 pm to Fun Bunch
I think you will be surprised that Ingram's value isn't
Deeply low, whatever that bullshite means
Deeply low, whatever that bullshite means
Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:04 pm to Fun Bunch
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I’d say it’s the opposite.
BI and first for Murray
If they were taking a 1 year chance on him, maybe, but even then i'd say it woudl be an even swap, no picks.
If he agrees to an extension with the Hawks, then we are getting picks for him.
I know you hate BI, but i guarantee you a bunch of GM's don't.
No one is bringing Dejounte Murray to their team to be their clear #2 guy. There are teams that without a doubt would want BI as their #2 guy.
Again, pretend the last 6 games didn't happen, b/c i can bet you most every other team could give two shits about those 6 games. They know who BI is.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:12 pm to Chalkywhite84
I’m sure most won’t agree but if Traes value is low, and we can use BI and not give up much more, that’s the way I’d go. We have the perfect guy in Herb to pair with him. We’d also have to move CJ if we add him. No point in keeping him around. Then try to bring in a defensive rim protecting center.
Our core four would all be under 25 with Trae and Zion locked down for years.
Our core four would all be under 25 with Trae and Zion locked down for years.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:23 pm to Townedrunkard
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I’m sure most won’t agree but if Traes value is low, and we can use BI and not give up much more, that’s the way I’d go. We have the perfect guy in Herb to pair with him. We’d also have to move CJ if we add him. No point in keeping him around. Then try to bring in a defensive rim protecting center.
I would be ok with that.
That's where the value of Jarrett Allen would be important to me. I still wouldn't give up Herb for him, but i'd make him a priority.
Trae
Herb
Trey
Zion
Allen
I like that lineup.
You can hate on Trae all you want, but i'd be perfectly fine with him having the ball in his hands late in games, much more so than CJ or BI.
BI's been in the league 2 years longer than Trae, yet Trae has played in 3x's as many playoff games as BI.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
I would love Trae Young on this team. A guy who can dish out 10 assists easily. Here are some clips of guys talking about Trae
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:31 pm to Townedrunkard
Define low? You're most likely have to give up 3 first, a young player, and an established player for him.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:31 pm to duyp
Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:32 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Trae Herb Trey Zion Allen I like that lineup. You can hate on Trae all you want, but i'd be perfectly fine with him having the ball in his hands late in games, much more so than CJ or BI
This is the kinda lineup I have in mind. Also you can see about trying to obtain Claxton or Ayton if we can move CJ instead of Allen.
I’m just not convinced Zion is that Alpha. BI and CJ definitely are not.
Trae is. And like you said, end of the game point Zion bogs down. I trust Trae with the ball in his hand more than any of them.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:38 pm to supe12sta12z
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Define low? You're most likely have to give up 3 first, a young player, and an established player for him.
Who else is trading for him and has a piece like BI to dangle? Two teams I’ve seen interested are the Lakers and Spurs. Neither is offering someone like BI.
You have to have a lineup to protect him, we have the highest dpoy vote getting wing to pair with along with TM. Just need that rim protecting runner and the lineup is set.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 4:42 pm
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