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re: Florida deputy fatally shot US airman that answered the door with a gun
Posted on 5/10/24 at 7:47 am to MoarKilometers
Posted on 5/10/24 at 7:47 am to MoarKilometers
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Daniel Shaver
One of the most egregious of all, a lot of that has to do with the fact it was a slow-motion march toward the inevitable.
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Posted on 5/10/24 at 7:49 am to LSUDVM1999
Cop (and whoever possibly gave the wrong address) should be treated harshly.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 7:51 am to LSUDVM1999
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he heard a knock at the door. He asked who was there but didn’t get a response. A few minutes later, Fortson heard a louder knock but didn’t see anyone when he looked through the peephole
WTF? Shouldn't they have said "this is the police"?
Posted on 5/10/24 at 7:51 am to Obtuse1
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Whether SOP or not what the cop did is set up a situation that was sketchy as hell for the person inside the apartment.
knocking on someone's door in the middle of the day is sketchy?
Yeah i find it sketchy when the mormons or the other christians or the finanacial advisor knocks on my door in the middle of the day too. I usually greet them with a gun in my hand.
I've had a cop knock on my door during the day before. I didn't go get my gun like a dumbass.
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Banging without announcing and then disappearing out of view creates a situation where if a person has hairs on their neck they should be at attention
in the middle of the day? you get hairs on the back of your neck when someone knocks on your door and isn't in the peephole?
You've seen the video right? this isnt' happenign at 2am. If it was 2am, then all of this nonsense your spouting would make sense.
This happened at 4:30 PM
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If you argue what the man did is stupid you have to see the root of that is a cop problem. When you get shot and not a single thing you did in front of the cop is illegal that is not a citizen problem, or it shouldn't be.
This is as stupid as saying "i have freedom of speech and can say whatever the frick i want without consequences". that's not how freedom of speech works.
And this is not how owning a gun works. Sure it's legal to have a gun in your house, and you can be armed in your house when you answer the door if you so chose, but by doing so you just escalated the situation. You've now given the other person on the other side of the door a reason to believe their life is in danger b/c you brought a gun out. It's not a device you should use as a threat.
and again, who the frick answers their door at 4:30PM with a gun in their hand. Again, I know it's perfectly legal to do so, but it's beyond stupid. And if you are doing shite in your life where it's warranted to answer the door that way at 4:30, then I don't really give a shite about what happens to you.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 7:52 am to TigersnJeeps
quote:so yeah, the hood
Rent starts at about $1400 for 1BR.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 7:58 am to TeddyPadillac
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knocking on someone's door in the middle of the day is sketchy?
I think he’s probably referring to the cop banging on the door without announcing himself as “police” and then moving out of view from the peephole while he waited for the guy to open up.
If someone banged on my door like that and then I looked out and couldn’t see anyone, I would certainly think it was sketchy. He later announced himself but I suspect the resident had already picked up the pistol at that point considering the timing of it all.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:10 am to lostinbr
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I think he’s probably referring to the cop banging on the door without announcing himself as “police” and then moving out of view from the peephole while he waited for the guy to open up.
the fedex guy does this at my house all the time. I dont' go get a gun. They hear the dog barking and back away from the door and i can't see them. again, i dont' go get a gun in the middle of the day to answer the door.
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f someone banged on my door like that and then I looked out and couldn’t see anyone, I would certainly think it was sketchy.
at 4:30pm? you a drug dealer? or did you recently beat the shite out of somoene or murder someone and you're expecting retaliation? why would that be so sketchy at 430PM that you need to answer the door with a gun?
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He later announced himself but I suspect the resident had already picked up the pistol at that point considering the timing of it all.
100% of normal people just answer the door at 4:30PM without a gun,
ANd i'm not saying what the cop did was right. I understand why he did what he did, but yes he absolutely could have handled it better and not shot him immediately. But I'm not goign to just blame the cop only and no place any blame on the dumbass answering the door at 430PM with a gun in his hand.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:18 am to TeddyPadillac
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knocking on someone's door in the middle of the day is sketchy?
You bothered to quote the salient part later.
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you get hairs on the back of your neck when someone knocks on your door and isn't in the peephole?
YES. If you bang on the door without announcing and I can't see you in the peephole with its wide-angle lens you are purposefully hiding from my view which is exactly what the cop was doing in his case for both cover and concealment. If someone is hiding from view that banged on your and you don't sense a potential threat then I don't know what to say to you.
I am not even going to argue the 2A to 1A conflation. If you can not exercise your 2A right in your own home when not making any threatening gesture toward anyone where the hell can you exercise it? The video is clear he was executed for exercising a right in his own domicile and did absolutely nothing threatening unless you are one of the group that is threatened by the mere presence of a firearm.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:24 am to TeddyPadillac
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at 4:30pm? you a drug dealer? or did you recently beat the shite out of somoene or murder someone and you're expecting retaliation? why would that be so sketchy at 430PM that you need to answer the door with a gun?
What sort of ****ry is this logic? I can answer my door with 18 guns if I feel inclined to.
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But I'm not goign to just blame the cop only and no place any blame on the dumbass answering the door at 430PM with a gun in his hand.
I think a few brief weeks will indicate only 1 person broke the law that day, and it's the law enforcement officer.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:25 am to GetCocky11
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If only there were some kind of identifier next to the door of the apartment letting the cops know where they were
Oh wait
The video clears shows he was told 1401, and the camera shows he went to 1401....sorry if posted already
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:27 am to MoarKilometers
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What sort of ****ry is this logic? I can answer my door with 18 guns if I feel inclined to.
you absolutely can. And you can get shot and killed for doing somethign so stupid.
I can go sit in my front yard with all my guns, waiving (MY HAND DUMBASSES, WAIVING MY HAND) at everyone that drives by too. Nothing illegal about that at all, but you know what. i guarantee you people will call the cops and a cop will come by to see why i'm acting like a complete dumbass.
This post was edited on 5/10/24 at 8:59 am
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:29 am to JDPndahizzy
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Cop should've identified himself... Police, open up
he did. watch the video. and the guy opened the door with a gun......
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:31 am to lostinbr
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I think he’s probably referring to the cop banging on the door without announcing himself as “police”
he did announce himself..... he said sheriffs office twice, very loudly. who the hell anwsers the door with a gun when the person is yelling sheriffs office? maybe call 911 to confirm before doing something so stupid
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:31 am to TeddyPadillac
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the fedex guy does this at my house all the time. I dont' go get a gun. They hear the dog barking and back away from the door and i can't see them.
Does the fedex guy beat on your door like a cop? I said this earlier in the thread, but it’s disconcerting and it’s not like a normal person knocking on the door.
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at 4:30pm? you a drug dealer? or did you recently beat the shite out of somoene or murder someone and you're expecting retaliation? why would that be so sketchy at 430PM that you need to answer the door with a gun?
I didn’t say I would answer the door with a gun at 4:30 PM. I said I would think it was sketchy. I probably wouldn’t open the door at all until I knew who it was, if I’m being honest. Not out of fear so much as annoyance.
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ANd i'm not saying what the cop did was right. I understand why he did what he did, but yes he absolutely could have handled it better and not shot him immediately.
He could have not shot the guy immediately. He also could have announced himself as police the first time he beat on the door. He could have stayed in view after beating on the door instead of hiding off to the side. He could have gone back down to check with the lady who gave him directions when he realized they were conflicting (she told him to go one way, but the apt number she gave him was the other way).
I don’t think opening the door with a gun in his hand was smart by the resident. But I also don’t think that makes it the resident’s fault. The fact that he could have taken steps to avoid being shot doesn’t suddenly make it lawful.
It’s like defensive driving. If someone is tailgating me, I should try to give myself extra stopping distance so I don’t have to slam my brakes. But if I don’t do that and I get rear-ended, it doesn’t absolve the other driver.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:33 am to bushwacker
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he did announce himself..... he said sheriffs office twice, very loudly.
Eventually. The first time he just banged on the door and hid from the peephole without saying anything. That’s the part I’m saying was sketchy.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:36 am to Obtuse1
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You bothered to quote the salient part later.
No i didn't. 4:30PM that's the important part. Get off your fricking salient horse english major.
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YES. If you bang on the door without announcing and I can't see you in the peephole with its wide-angle lens you are purposefully hiding from my view which is exactly what the cop was doing in his case for both cover and concealment.
You have a problem then. i don't know what else to say to you. I do'nt live in the hood, nor do i live in some 3rd world country where i have to worry about a random person knocking on my door at 430PM is after me.
The overwhelmingly vast majority of legal gun owning americans in this situation answer the door without a gun at 4:30PM. Dumbasses and criminals answer it with a gun. You can still do something completely legal and be a dumbass. You can walk down your street to walk your dog with a AR-15 strapped around your back. completely legal. Stupid. but completely legal.
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If you can not exercise your 2A right in your own home when not making any threatening gesture toward anyone where the hell can you exercise it? The video is clear he was executed for exercising a right in his own domicile and did absolutely nothing threatening unless you are one of the group that is threatened by the mere presence of a firearm.
You're confusing what i'm saying thinking i don't think people should have guns. I own guns, i mean i used to since i lost them all in a boating accident. He has every right to answer the door wiht a gun. and no he shoudln't have gotten shot and the cop could have handled it slightly better, but that doesn't remove the stupidity the gun owner showed doing what he did.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:44 am to TeddyPadillac
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I can go sit in my front yard with all my guns waiving at everyone that drives by too. Nothing illegal about that at all,
So you're legit retarded. Glad you removed all doubt for us.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:46 am to dewster
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Cop (and whoever possibly gave the wrong address) should be treated harshly.
He wasn't at the wrong address though.
The OP is inaccurate
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:47 am to MoarKilometers
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So you're legit retarded. Glad you removed all doubt for us.
waiving with my hand ruhtard, not waiving my gun at people. Sorry for the confusion of stupidity.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:52 am to TeddyPadillac
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I can go sit in my front yard with all my guns waiving at everyone that drives by too.
Not legal.
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