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re: Florida deputy fatally shot US airman that answered the door with a gun
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:10 am to LSUDVM1999
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:10 am to LSUDVM1999
This guy deserves the rioting and protesting.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:13 am to LSUDVM1999
So this is what went down? Cops arrive at Fortson's apartment at 4:30pm on a Friday. They only knock twice? They don't announce who they are? They don't hear any disturbance? Then they break down the door?
Seems like a lot of info is being left out or not substantiated.
Hopefully the cops were wearing body cams.
Seems like a lot of info is being left out or not substantiated.
Hopefully the cops were wearing body cams.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:19 am to jcaz
quote:I think this is the same department that had the Acorn Incident
Dumbass cops cannot even verify an address?
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:19 am to soccerfüt
Sad story, really messed up move by the deputy.
However, dude was assigned to a STS he wasn’t a STS airman. He didn’t have to survive the pipeline. Contrary to what BS the higher ups push, how close you are to the X matters.
However, dude was assigned to a STS he wasn’t a STS airman. He didn’t have to survive the pipeline. Contrary to what BS the higher ups push, how close you are to the X matters.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:44 am to LSUDVM1999
Comply or die. What difference does it make if they never demanded anything? Comply or die applies when they demand conflicting actions. Confusion is not an excuse not to die, why should not hearing them be. Good kill. Cops are always correct and deserve any and all latitude to do the state's bidding....after all their job is among the top 22 most dangerous ones in the United States, just 17 spots lower on the list than garbage collectors, and they are doing the government's bidding - what right does any citizen have to question that?????
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:48 am to GetCocky11
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If only there were some kind of identifier next to the door of the apartment letting the cops know where they were
Oh wait
Their job is the 22 most dangerous job in the country....behind roofers for example. Surely you ain't suggesting that a roofer, whose job is far more dangerous, take the time and make an effort to ensure they are roofing the correct house every time, are you??? That is just too much to ask...its the 22 most dangerous job in the country....give 'em a break....so they shoot someone who has done nothing wrong once in a while. That is a small price to pay to make sure they make it home in one piece because their job is the 22 most dangerous job in the US.....a innocent person being shot by the state here and there is NOTHING compared to making certain that the brave men and women who work the 22 most dangerous job in the country get home every night....give the poor put upon cops a break, they have a dangerous job...the 22nd most dangerous one.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:58 am to jcaz
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Dumbass cops cannot even verify an address?
they have total immunity from their actions, so they dont need to verify they arent killing innocent people, just saying whoopsie daisy, we made a mistake, gets them off the hook
Posted on 5/9/24 at 11:58 am to LSUDVM1999
Family gettin paid.
RIP
RIP
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:00 pm to AwgustaDawg
Too bad the cop won't have to justify exigent circumstances to violate the 4A on the wrong address. Qualified Immunity is almost always guaranteed if they *say* it was an honest mistake.
QI is just court ordered cover for govt accountability.
QI is just court ordered cover for govt accountability.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:02 pm to dakarx
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Too bad the cop won't have to justify exigent circumstances to violate the 4A on the wrong address. Qualified Immunity is almost always guaranteed if they *say* it was an honest mistake.
QI is just court ordered cover for govt accountability.
It is unimaginable that some folks think you ought to be able to sue the government just because they caused you harm. Its the government...gotta lick them boots.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:06 pm to LSUDVM1999
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Fortson was alone in his apartment when he heard a knock at the door. He asked who was there but didn’t get a response.
quote:
A few minutes later, Fortson heard a louder knock but didn’t see anyone when he looked through the peephole
Cop should've identified himself... Police, open up..
Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:27 pm to JDPndahizzy
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Fortson was alone in his apartment when he heard a knock at the door. He asked who was there but didn’t get a response.
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A few minutes later, Fortson heard a louder knock but didn’t see anyone when he looked through the peephole
I am wondering how Crump knows this info? What the guy was thinking for example? I am guessing he is going to say the person on the FaceTime call heard it all. This could end up being a complete replay of the Skittles and Arizona Tea incident where the girl made all those claims and ended up being shown a complete liar on the stand.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:37 pm to PikesPeak
quote:
I think this is the same department that had the Acorn Incident
Was going to post the same thing, and yes it is.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 12:44 pm to PikesPeak
quote:It is.
I think this is the same department that had the Acorn Incident
Posted on 5/9/24 at 1:18 pm to LSUDVM1999
Cops need to hire cab drivers, Uber drivers, Mormans or Jehovah's Witnesses to help them find the correct addresses
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 5/9/24 at 3:58 pm to LSUDVM1999
Body cam video has been released. Saw it on a local FB page.
The officer went to the door of the apt he was told. The room number is visible in the camera.
He knocked 3x, announced "sheriff's office, open the door" on the last 2x. Door opened after 3rd. Fortson has pistol in hand at his side pointed down. Officer immediately draws and shoots.
Pensacola channel 3 WEAR-TV has the video.
WEAR
The officer went to the door of the apt he was told. The room number is visible in the camera.
He knocked 3x, announced "sheriff's office, open the door" on the last 2x. Door opened after 3rd. Fortson has pistol in hand at his side pointed down. Officer immediately draws and shoots.
Pensacola channel 3 WEAR-TV has the video.
WEAR
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:11 pm to jbgleason
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Reading comprehension. No warrant. No 4th Amendment issue. They responded to a call and knocked on the guys door. He answered with a gun in hand.
So I got massively downvoted on page one by all the "police kicked in the wrong door for no reason and murdered this guy" people. Turns out this was a Karen initiated situation in which they were called to a specific apartment. Knocked on the door and loudly announced their presence. Guy acknowledges its the police as heard verbally on the body cam. He then answers the door holding a gun and the officer shoots him WITHOUT entering the apartment (zero 4th Amendment issue there).
Someone is going to raise some kind of argument that its a 4th violation because of the Use of Force but we all know that isn't what they meant on page one.
You want to argue whether the officer was quick on the trigger or not? Go ahead. It's a valid argument. I think going the racial route is going to be Crump's angle though (duh) and that's a weak play.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:17 pm to TigersnJeeps
That video certainly tells a different story.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:19 pm to jbgleason
The racial angle is Crump's MO.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:21 pm to jbgleason
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You want to argue whether the officer was quick on the trigger or not? Go ahead. It's a valid argument.
At the 3:40-ish mark, it sounds like someone inside the apartment also says something about the police loud enough to be heard in the hallway.
You pretty much have to be a dumbass these days to answer the door with a gun in hand if the police are actively knocking on your door (and per the video it was announced very clearly multiple times). Like you said, there could maybe be argument that he shot too quickly but the guy is right there in the doorway with the gun in his hand when he answers. It's not holstered or anything along those lines.
I generally don't side with the cops in a lot of these situations because it's usually their frick up. But in this case? I can't really say it's a bad shoot.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 4:24 pm
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