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re: Let’s be honest, even if Trump beats election fraud and wins in November

Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:08 pm to
Posted by wackatimesthree
Member since Oct 2019
4314 posts
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:08 pm to
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1. He will continue the Ukraine War
2. There will be no mass deportation.
3. He will slow the illegal crossings.
4. He will slow the climate change insanity.
5. He will do nothing to improve our hopeless fiscal situation.


I think that's a good start to a reasonable prediction.

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Alot better than Biden.


Just for the immigration and climate change reversals alone, I agree.

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But not nearly enough to save our country.


If you're looking for someone to come in and reverse the trend on the national deficits/debt, I just don't think it's going to happen.

You'd have to get rid of SS/Medicare. I don't mean reform it. I mean get rid of it. As in, one day you get your last SS check and there's no more coming. And your Medicare card is rejected at the Dr.'s the next time you try to use it.

And that's just not going to happen.

I think that the First World has come to the point that psychologically people simply will no longer accept not having government entitlements like that. And I think politicians know that and that's why none of them seem concerned...because they know nothing can/will be done about it.

So one of three things is going to happen:

1. Either we can just keep printing more money ad infinitum without a financial catastrophe eventually ensuing. I agree that seems unlikely.

2. Someone has a plan for when that catastrophe occurs that involves some kind of a re-set on the fiscal system that they are confident will work.

3. We're just going to go over the cliff and the country will collapse in whatever way a country collapses when it overspends like we are. I don't know what that looks like. i'm not sure anyone does.

But it's not like we're the only ones facing this. We're not even in the top five highest budget deficits in the world (we ARE in the top five nations with largest debt...we are #1, in fact, in terms of dollar amount, but Japan is number one in terms of debt to GDP ratio).

Turns out, when you have a country with a large budget burden of entitlements (like SS/Medicare in our case, other countries also have universal health care, etc), it's pretty much guaranteed that you're going to spend more than you take in. Out of 7.9 Bilion people on the planet, 3.3 Billion live in countries who spend more than they take in, and most of those are like the US. Established economies in first world countries.

Ask anybody here if they would be willing for the US to just stop funding SS/Medicare in order to pay down the debt. And keep in mind, that wouldn't mean you could stop paying the taxes. The taxes would be the money that would be used to pay down the debt. So you'd still pay your FICA, but you wouldn't get the benefits when you turned 65 (or thereabouts).

Anybody willing to do that, raise your hand.

Because that's what it would take.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4468 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:23 pm to
One thing I would add is Trump did well with Trade policy. Maybe he can build on that.

And no, no one will eliminate ss and Medicare.
But we need to talk about cutting discretionary spending and Defense.

I like Viveks plan to cut 2/3 of bureaucrats.... wiping out the FBI etc.
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