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re: RINO is no longer a valid term

Posted on 5/9/24 at 1:44 pm to
Posted by RobbBobb
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 1:44 pm to
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Being fiscally conservative is a big deal. Something that Trump failed at.

Which is a lie. Trump was the most fiscally conservative (R) president since WWII. Only Clinton added less by percentage to the debt (including covid spending). Then we got hoaxed with Covid, and he spent money to keep us afloat while we were locked in our homes by our governors
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Top 5 Presidents Who Added to National Debt by Percentage

Here are the top five presidents in modern U.S. history who recorded the largest percentage increase to national debt during their term(s) in office.

1. Franklin D. Roosevelt (1933 to 1945)
President Franklin D. Roosevelt (FDR) contributed the largest percentage increase to U.S. national debt to date.

2. Woodrow Wilson (1913 to 1921)
President Woodrow Wilson added to the U.S. national debt with funding war efforts during World War I.

3. Ronald Reagan (1981 to 1989)
President Ronald Reagan added added over $1.6 trillion to the U.S. national debt.

4. George W. Bush (2001 to 2009)
President George W. Bush added about $4 trillion to the U.S. national debt. Military spending increased to record levels under Bush, due to launching the war in Afghanistan and War on Terror in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks, as well as the Iraq War in 2003.

5. Barack Obama (2009 to 2017)
When looking at which president added the most to national debt in dollar amounts, President Barack Obama takes the lead.

The National Debt Continues to Rise Under President Biden
Posted by frogtown
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 5/9/24 at 2:29 pm to
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Trump was the most fiscally conservative (R) president since WWII.




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Only Clinton added less by percentage to the debt (including covid spending).


Wrong.

% added to debt

Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton, Ford and Carter are all better than Trump.

Also it does matter that most of those in that group only served four years(some less). You still don't seem to grasp that concept.
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 2:33 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
18127 posts
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:43 pm to
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Which is a lie. Trump was the most fiscally conservative (R) president since WWII. Only Clinton added less by percentage to the debt (including covid spending).

I don't follow the logic of "as percentage of debt" being the measure of a president's fiscal performance. So the president after Trump's next term - he'll come in with about $40T debt on the books so could run up massive deficits and still measure "fiscally conservative" on this metric.

Wouldn't a much better metric be debt added as a function of gdp.
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4. George W. Bush (2001 to 2009)
President George W. Bush added about $4 trillion to the U.S. national debt. Military spending increased to record levels under Bush, due to launching the war in Afghanistan and War on Terror in response to the September 11, 2001 attacks, as well as the Iraq War in 2003.

5. Barack Obama (2009 to 2017)
When looking at which president added the most to national debt in dollar amounts, President Barack Obama takes the lead.

Yeah, they both sucked fiscally but they added all those dollars over 8 years while Trump did his massive damage in only 3.

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Then we got hoaxed with Covid, and he spent money to keep us afloat while we were locked in our homes by our governors

You got hoaxed. Trump got hoaxed. But not everybody got hoaxed.

Trump doesn't get a pass on Covid spending because you were afraid for your life because the establishment told you to be.
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