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re: RINO is no longer a valid term
Posted on 5/8/24 at 6:48 pm to BuckyCheese
Posted on 5/8/24 at 6:48 pm to BuckyCheese
Here is your chance to name a more conservative president since WWII?
And dont start with Reagan. He broke the debt ceiling 18 times in 8 years. And stuck us with some pretty shitty justices
So who ya got?
And dont start with Reagan. He broke the debt ceiling 18 times in 8 years. And stuck us with some pretty shitty justices
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The debt ceiling was raised 74 times from March 1962 to May 2011, including 18 times under Ronald Reagan, eight times under Bill Clinton, and seven times under George W. Bush.
So who ya got?
Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:10 pm to RobbBobb
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Here is your chance to name a more conservative president since WWII?
And dont start with Reagan. He broke the debt ceiling 18 times in 8 years. And stuck us with some pretty shitty justices
You think it takes a rock ribbed conservative to be more conservative than Trump?
Trump doesn't have a conservative bone in his body.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:14 pm to RobbBobb
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So who ya got?
If we are talking about being "fiscally conservative" if would be Eisenhower. He ran a surplus in 3 of this 8 years in office.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:02 pm to RobbBobb
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Here is your chance to name a more conservative president since WWII?
And dont start with Reagan. He broke the debt ceiling 18 times in 8 years. And stuck us with some pretty shitty justices
Reagan absolutely was more conservative than Trump.
Governance doesn't just depend on what the results are/were, it depends on the context of how those things came about and the philosophy that facilitated the agenda in the first place.
Reagan was able to compromise with Congressional Democrats to get what he got done. Compromise means that neither side gets exactly what they want.
Regan may not have always been able to enact a 100% conservative agenda, but he always had a conservative philosophy. Trump doesn't even have a conservative philosophy. Any conservative agendas he favors are favored purely by chance.
And Congress votes to raise the debt ceiling, the POTUS has nothing to do with it. And it has never been voted down. So that specific criticism is disingenuous at best.
Reagan did sign budgets and supported starting the trend of over spending, but to ignore that the reason why is that he was defeating the biggest military threat to America in the 20th century in a Cold War by outspending them into oblivion (and it worked) is also disingenuous. Either that or very ignorant.
Put Reagan in office with the conditions that existed in 2016 instead of 1980 and you would see a very different outcome. Reagan had to contend with interest rates as high as 16-18% in his first term. What were interest rates in 2016, like 3%?
This post was edited on 5/9/24 at 9:47 am
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