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Whoever started coaching catchers on 1 knee
Posted on 5/7/24 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 5/7/24 at 11:11 pm
Needs to be kicked in the nuts
Whatever dumbass catching “coach” started this trend is an absolute moron. I have seen it from high school and college this year and almost every catcher is doing/being taught this. On one knee with runners on base limits mobility, blocking, and throw downs and it’s been evident all season long for LSU.
Neal also does private lessons for the Knights travel program so it’s also being taught by him.
Whatever dumbass catching “coach” started this trend is an absolute moron. I have seen it from high school and college this year and almost every catcher is doing/being taught this. On one knee with runners on base limits mobility, blocking, and throw downs and it’s been evident all season long for LSU.
Neal also does private lessons for the Knights travel program so it’s also being taught by him.
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 11:12 pm to dukeg7213
But it looks cool
Posted on 5/7/24 at 11:36 pm to dukeg7213
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Neal also does private lessons for the Knights travel program so it’s also being taught by him.
Let me guess. Your son, Stryker or Baylan or Braxton, used to be the starting catcher for the Knights 11u team. Now he exclusively plays right field.
Posted on 5/7/24 at 11:40 pm to dukeg7213
Yep, and our man Skip hates it just as much as we do.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 1:10 am to dukeg7213
It’s been years. Started as a way to take a focal point away from the ump and supposedly get more called strikes. I’ve searched and have never found the proof.
Really, I think it that was an excuse to protect knees and extend mlb catcher careers a couple years.
Really, I think it that was an excuse to protect knees and extend mlb catcher careers a couple years.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:52 am to dukeg7213
100% agree. It’s lazy and you can’t block shite on one knee. It makes zero sense.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 5:13 am to dukeg7213
You sound like the same kind of guy that thinks shooting 3s is a bad idea and teams should go back to focusing on mid-range jumpers. 
Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:22 am to dukeg7213
The first catcher I remember doing this was either Benito Santiago or Sandy Alomar with the Padres back in the day. They sort of got away with it because they could throw runners out from that slouching position.
I’m sure it’s easier on the knees but clearly limits the ability to block wild pitches and/or throw runners out.
I’m sure it’s easier on the knees but clearly limits the ability to block wild pitches and/or throw runners out.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 7:23 am
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:06 am to dukeg7213
There is a lot of data that one knee down w a kickstand is an advantage on borderline calls, receiving, better blocking on balls in the catchers box by about 25% and no signifiant change in pop time
Also shows that the improvements are a net run gainer for your team.
Also shows that the improvements are a net run gainer for your team.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:44 am to dukeg7213
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On one knee with runners on base limits mobility, blocking, and throw downs and it’s been evident all season long for LSU.
Neal also does private lessons for the Knights travel program so it’s also being taught by him.
This is why I love this board. A random internet poster knows better than the best minds at every level of baseball.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 8:58 am to dukeg7213
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Neal also does private lessons for the Knights travel program so it’s also being taught by him
Well my nephew has been the starting catcher for every Knights team he's been on since 8u and has never been taught to get on a knee. Must be the Knights in the BR area only.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:09 am to dukeg7213
Tony Pena was the first guy I saw do it, and that was more than 40 years ago. Probably to ease wear and tear on the knees, plus you can sit down. Probably a combo of injury prevention and laziness.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:43 am to dukeg7213
It's all because of analytics. The Red Sox started implementing this technique a few years ago because of some study they conducted that produced data saying it allows catchers to rest the body and frame balls better. Since then it's been all over MLB too.
Tony Pena and Benito Santiago used to routinely catch from one knee but that was because they could throw runners out from their knees.
BUT, if you have a pitcher with a hard slider or splitter you can't be on one knee.
Tony Pena and Benito Santiago used to routinely catch from one knee but that was because they could throw runners out from their knees.
BUT, if you have a pitcher with a hard slider or splitter you can't be on one knee.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:13 am to dukeg7213
Do a film review and you'll see that the number of times a guy has to block a ball from a knee is far less than the number of times a catcher has to steal a strike at the bottom of the zone., and for the record, athletic guys can still move and block balls effectively.
Need receipts..? Well in 2017 and 18 , pitches taken by hitters in "borderline area", the strike rate was 35.2% and 35.5%. After adopting the knee down approach, in 2019, that number jumped to 43.6%, and in 2020, it was 45.2%.
In in 2022, the number of passed balls and wild pitches fell off a cliff. From 6.9 per 1000 pitches to 5.7 per 1000. Comparing a 10% gain in called strikes to a 0.7% passed ball rate, a reasonable person can see the gain here and deal with the occasional mishap. Conveniently, this is about the time nearly all MLB programs implemented the one knee set up. Also around this time, they moved to the electronic pitch sign delivery, so you get fewer cross ups.
One can't empirically say with certainty that the one knee set up is solely responsible, but YOU have to deal with the fact that the game is changing, and you have to accept it.
Anyone with youngsters playing the game, if you're not training them to the latest, age appropriate techniques, you're doing them a disservice.
Need receipts..? Well in 2017 and 18 , pitches taken by hitters in "borderline area", the strike rate was 35.2% and 35.5%. After adopting the knee down approach, in 2019, that number jumped to 43.6%, and in 2020, it was 45.2%.
In in 2022, the number of passed balls and wild pitches fell off a cliff. From 6.9 per 1000 pitches to 5.7 per 1000. Comparing a 10% gain in called strikes to a 0.7% passed ball rate, a reasonable person can see the gain here and deal with the occasional mishap. Conveniently, this is about the time nearly all MLB programs implemented the one knee set up. Also around this time, they moved to the electronic pitch sign delivery, so you get fewer cross ups.
One can't empirically say with certainty that the one knee set up is solely responsible, but YOU have to deal with the fact that the game is changing, and you have to accept it.
Anyone with youngsters playing the game, if you're not training them to the latest, age appropriate techniques, you're doing them a disservice.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:31 am to dukeg7213
I caught in the 90’s and we did it then. You catch spring summer and fall ball and not take a break sometimes. Everyone knows who can steal and who can’t. If there was a threat of running then you’d just squat. Plus it’s an art to it depending on right or left handed pitching determines what leg you take a knee. Then you can slide laterally for the block. But I’m sure you know more than 3 decades of baseball coaches pro to high school.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 5:00 pm to dukeg7213
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:06 pm to dukeg7213
As a backup catcher with bad knees I would have loved it. Probably would have been faster to the left as well. Catching sucks in the late innings.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 10:50 am to dukeg7213
I was arguing/discussing this with my 8 y.o. grandsons coach the other day. He called his "buddy' who is catcher for a "major college" program. He said they all teach that as the correct way!
Grandson was constantly missing balls outside!
Grandson was constantly missing balls outside!
Posted on 5/9/24 at 1:26 pm to dukeg7213
It was manny sanguillune. Pittsburgh pirates 1970s
Posted on 5/10/24 at 11:34 am to dukeg7213
Manny Sanguillien
Tony Pena
Tony Pena
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