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Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:58 am to Madking
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That’s just speculation
Only due to outliers.
How many non-lineman, non-TEs are 6-2 (without shoes) in the NFL? That's basically the minimum starting point for NBA comparisons, before we even get into athleticism comparison (along with other physical requirements like arm length).
Posted on 5/8/24 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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The NFL has a much, much smaller population who could project as a candidate for the NBA
I do think about a guy like Joe Alt. He was just measured at almost 6'10. He is a good athlete and played TE before moving to OT. If he would have trained at basketball, could he have played at the next level?
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:02 am to SlowFlowPro
Your reasoning is sound but it’s still just a logical guess. I don’t know where you’re from but especially in the south, a large number of our best HS basketball players go to college and play football instead.
This post was edited on 5/8/24 at 10:03 am
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:06 am to Madking
Yeah, I feel like he’s definitely wrong about 30 players. But I do feel like the NFL GMs would have some intrigue if the most athletic big men entered the NFL draft.
Rico Gathers got drafted in the 6th round by the Cowboys not playing a down of college football a few years ago. There was talk about the dude from NC State getting drafted this year.
Lebron in his prime would have absolutely been drafted.
Rivers is wrong about a couple things, but there’s not a single football player who could play in the NBA and there are probably a handful of basketball players who could play football.
Rico Gathers got drafted in the 6th round by the Cowboys not playing a down of college football a few years ago. There was talk about the dude from NC State getting drafted this year.
Lebron in his prime would have absolutely been drafted.
Rivers is wrong about a couple things, but there’s not a single football player who could play in the NBA and there are probably a handful of basketball players who could play football.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:07 am to Madking
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a large number of our best HS basketball players go to college and play football instead.
Because they don't have the size/ability to play elite basketball.
Ant Edwards was known to not even like basketball that much, and loved football, but was the opposite: he had the ability to go pro in basketball, so it was a no-brainer (more publicity/fame, a lot more money, and better health prospects long-term).
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:19 am to SlowFlowPro
Again you’re just speculating as to the reason. The answer you gave is almost never the reason given.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:most running backs would be too short to play basketball, and 99% of basketball players would not be able to take the pounding a running back takes. If you are over 6’3 playing running back you better be fricking massive or else you’ll shatter you legs. I also would guess most basketball players that you think would be good DBs don’t have the hip flexibility and quickness to play The position. There’s no real size requirement for qb but it’s such a cerebral position you won’t find a single player ever being able to go from never playing a down of football through college to all of a sudden taking snaps under center in the nfl. So again, what we are left with is tight end and maybe receiver, but I think you’d be surprised at the speed of nfl players vs basketball players,or lack thereof. Again, you can’t name a guard in basketball who went to play football because they are normally too thin and would probably be too slow. which is why the only basketball position that has transferred to football is forward. but what austin rivers said is that there’s 30 guys in the nba that tomorrow could go play in the nfl which is ridiculous no matter how you slice it.
t's just that if you're in the height/athleticism range for QB/RB/DB/WR, you're almost guaranteed to pick basketball.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 10:56 am to SlowFlowPro
The way the nfl is played today with athletic QB's, I'd bet there's a nfl qb in the NBA right now, had that player gone the route of playing football instead of basketball.
Allen Iverson was one of the best high school qb's in Virginia. Won the state championship in both basketball and football, as well as player of the year in both sports.
Corey Webster was similar in high school winning the state championship in basketball and football as a qb.
The difference between those two is one of them was awesome at basketball despite being 6' tall, and the other wasnt' nearly as good at basketball at 6' tall, despite the fact that he could have easily played basketball at LSU, but Corey realized real quick his future was in football, not basketball, b/c of his size. If Corey Webster was 6'4" insted of 6' tall, i'd bet he would have ended up in the NBA instead of the NFL.
Westbrook, Fox, Derrick Rose, even Josh Hart, those guys are flying by people on fast breaks. The guys in the 6'3"ish range are the ones that could likely be good football players.
If Lonzo Ball was groomed to be a QB his whole life instead of a basketball player, he probably would have been an unbelievable qb.
Donovan Mitchell played shortstop in high school. Let that athletic freak play QB. Or Kyrie Irving at QB.
How many guys out there are like Michael Vick? We are just finally startigng to see guys with that skill set do well in the NFL, like Lamar Jackson. Those guys with that kind of speed play basketball, not football.
Guys like Jrue Holiday, ANT, and Lou Dort, who are only 6'4" but weigh 220 would absolutely have been able to make a career in football if that's what they grew up playing.
If Lou Dort worked out to play football instead of basketball, added 20lbs of muscle and got some strength in his legs, he would be an all pro DE. He'd be Micah Parsons.
It's unlikley you can just drop an NBA player onto a football field and he be any good. His body hasn't trained to play that sport and they aren't going to be strong enough more than likely. Same for a football player playing basketball. They have trained their body to absorb high impact contact. Thats' what their muscles are for now, and they are no where near as graceful on the court.
But i think more kids that play both fooball and basketball, pick the sport to move forward with based on their size. You're under 6'2" you better be a phenomanel basketball player to make it to the next level.
20+ years ago kids played multiple sports. Tournament baseball and AAU basketball have pretty much made kids choose which sport they want to play when they are 11 years old, so you don't see as many multi sport athletes anymore.
Allen Iverson was one of the best high school qb's in Virginia. Won the state championship in both basketball and football, as well as player of the year in both sports.
Corey Webster was similar in high school winning the state championship in basketball and football as a qb.
The difference between those two is one of them was awesome at basketball despite being 6' tall, and the other wasnt' nearly as good at basketball at 6' tall, despite the fact that he could have easily played basketball at LSU, but Corey realized real quick his future was in football, not basketball, b/c of his size. If Corey Webster was 6'4" insted of 6' tall, i'd bet he would have ended up in the NBA instead of the NFL.
Westbrook, Fox, Derrick Rose, even Josh Hart, those guys are flying by people on fast breaks. The guys in the 6'3"ish range are the ones that could likely be good football players.
If Lonzo Ball was groomed to be a QB his whole life instead of a basketball player, he probably would have been an unbelievable qb.
Donovan Mitchell played shortstop in high school. Let that athletic freak play QB. Or Kyrie Irving at QB.
How many guys out there are like Michael Vick? We are just finally startigng to see guys with that skill set do well in the NFL, like Lamar Jackson. Those guys with that kind of speed play basketball, not football.
Guys like Jrue Holiday, ANT, and Lou Dort, who are only 6'4" but weigh 220 would absolutely have been able to make a career in football if that's what they grew up playing.
If Lou Dort worked out to play football instead of basketball, added 20lbs of muscle and got some strength in his legs, he would be an all pro DE. He'd be Micah Parsons.
It's unlikley you can just drop an NBA player onto a football field and he be any good. His body hasn't trained to play that sport and they aren't going to be strong enough more than likely. Same for a football player playing basketball. They have trained their body to absorb high impact contact. Thats' what their muscles are for now, and they are no where near as graceful on the court.
But i think more kids that play both fooball and basketball, pick the sport to move forward with based on their size. You're under 6'2" you better be a phenomanel basketball player to make it to the next level.
20+ years ago kids played multiple sports. Tournament baseball and AAU basketball have pretty much made kids choose which sport they want to play when they are 11 years old, so you don't see as many multi sport athletes anymore.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:05 am to SlowFlowPro
Again, nhl players are the best overall athletes. However you could get more nfl players on nba rosters compared to the nba of an nfl roster. Just the physicality of the nfl would drive the nba players away in droves… height is not that much of a factor.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Chancellor was more like 220-225
He was 231 at the nfl combine and put on a few lbs of muscle from there.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:16 am to dukke v
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Again, nhl players are the best overall athletes
That’s absolutely false.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:27 am to dukke v
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Again, nhl players are the best overall athletes
How, the sport is played pretty much entirely on the 2D plane… all the other sports are played in 3D
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:30 am to RLDSC FAN
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“I can take 30 players right now in the NBA and throw them in the NFL. You cannot take 30 NFL players and put them in the NBA.”
Does not mean the nfl is easier
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:31 am to dukke v
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nhl players are the best overall athletes
Best athletes are in NBA
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:37 am to RLDSC FAN
Rivers is only partially correct for one reason. (And he is still 99% wrong)
The abundance of positions in the NFL. OL,DL,LB, RB,WR, etc.
The NBA has a much more limited skill set.
But 100% of NBA players would get their butt kicked in the NFL. They are all too soft.
The abundance of positions in the NFL. OL,DL,LB, RB,WR, etc.
The NBA has a much more limited skill set.
But 100% of NBA players would get their butt kicked in the NFL. They are all too soft.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 11:56 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:06 pm to Dairy Sanders
Based on what????? Please tell me how they are not….
Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:16 pm to TeddyPadillac
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The difference between those two is one of them was awesome at basketball despite being 6' tall, and the other wasnt' nearly as good at basketball at 6' tall, despite the fact that he could have easily played basketball at LSU, but Corey realized real quick his future was in football, not basketball, b/c of his size. If Corey Webster was 6'4" insted of 6' tall, i'd bet he would have ended up in the NBA instead of the NFL.
Yes.
This legend of Marcus Spears being some dominant 4/5 in the SEC at 6-3 always made me crack up as well.
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It's unlikley you can just drop an NBA player onto a football field and he be any good. His body hasn't trained to play that sport and they aren't going to be strong enough more than likely. Same for a football player playing basketball. They have trained their body to absorb high impact contact. Thats' what their muscles are for now, and they are no where near as graceful on the court.
But i think more kids that play both fooball and basketball, pick the sport to move forward with based on their size. You're under 6'2" you better be a phenomanel basketball player to make it to the next level.
Pretty much.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:21 pm to RLDSC FAN
I've always equated NFL players as simply being too short to play NBA. Pretty much, NBA players and most NFL players are nearly identical in athletic POTENTIAL, NBA players just grew taller.
The only difference between Darrelle Revis and Russell Westbrook is 6 inches. That's obviously a very basic analysis. NBA players are highly skilled in their game and there are many more intangibles (like muscle memory, hand/eye coordination, etc...) that make them better at basketball than just your basic great physical athlete, but many NFL players possess those same intangibles.
The only difference between Darrelle Revis and Russell Westbrook is 6 inches. That's obviously a very basic analysis. NBA players are highly skilled in their game and there are many more intangibles (like muscle memory, hand/eye coordination, etc...) that make them better at basketball than just your basic great physical athlete, but many NFL players possess those same intangibles.
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