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re: Austin Rivers on NFL being easier than the NBA

Posted on 5/7/24 at 7:41 pm to
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 7:41 pm to
I want to disagree, but the # of mediocre college basketball players who transitioned into great NFL players tells me he's probably right.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 7:42 pm to
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None of them from either league could play in the MLB. But no one wants to have that conversation


Posted by Tiger1242
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 7:49 pm to
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None of them from either league could play in the MLB. But no one wants to have that conversation.

Yeah, none of them could play on the PGA tour or be a professional bowler either, what’s your point?
Posted by JakeFromStateFarm
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:31 pm to
Maybe 30 NBA players from 20-30 years ago. These dudes playing now are WAY too soft to make it in the NFL
Posted by Madking
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 9:52 pm to
He’s 100% wrong
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
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Posted on 5/7/24 at 10:03 pm to
I would wager a lot more nfl players played high school hoops than nba guys that played high school football.

One thing for sure is nba players are awful at baseball.
Posted by Dairy Sanders
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 5:18 am to
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Regardless I think there are plenty of Kam Chancellor body types playing 3 and D right now


6’3 230-240 Lb guys don’t exist in the NBA. And none of them have football skills so
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 5:20 am to
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The average NBA player is also 6’6’’ the highest vertical at the combine was a dude named Jalen Coker at 42.5’’ but he’s only 6’1’’.


Is the NBA combine vertical a standing vertical like the NFL one?
Posted by Dairy Sanders
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 5:21 am to
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I just wanna throw the fade to wemby. That has to be automatic, right?


French Gumby gets pushed around on a basketball court by a bunch of soy boys you really think he’d make it through more than a practice or two in the NFL? Come on now lol
Posted by Nitrogen
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 5:26 am to
If NBA dudes really think that then they are delusional the comparison is stupid anyways, an apples to oranges situation
Posted by brmark70816
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 5:28 am to
If they used a plan like the pathway they use to develop foreign prospects, I believe they could find 30+ guys in the NBA with the talent to make a NFL roster. But it would take a long time to acclimate them to a position and build their bodies up for contact. There is so much more money in the NBA, that no one is making that change. But overall his point is somewhat valid..
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:05 am to
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Three hall of fame football players (or ones who will go in once they are eligible) were role player college basketball players, and in one case, a star who never even played football.

There is also a multiple time pro bowler who played football as an afterthought when he knew he wasn’t NBA material.


I was coming to make a similar argument. This only goes one way.

There are lots of guys in the NBA (or who played high level college and couldn't make it in the NBA) who could have been elite football players, due to physical profile, athleticism, sport intelligence, etc. I make this argument all the time about how our soccer output would be so much more insane if 5% of these non-pro level guys dedicated their life to soccer early.

There are almost no guys in the NFL who could be elite NBA players. The best example is what, Charlie Ward? So your elite college FB guys may (1 in 10,000) be able to become an average starter in the NBA.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:10 am to
There plenty of nfl players that could play in the nba.. but the major point is who could adapt the best… almost every nba player would quit after the first physical practice. They cry like bitches if they get touched now.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:10 am to
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Really? You think a group of athletes who depend on quick, explosive movement pared with premium hand-eye coordination (middle infielders) would have a tough time transitioning to PG/SG?

Yes. How many of those guys are 6-2?

NBA players are doing all of that at a min height of about 6-2.

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Or players whose balance and explosiveness who also have ++ hand-eye coordination (hockey players) wouldn't be able to transition?


Hockey and baseball are more skill-based games than athleticism-based games. Your typical hockey player may be bigger than baseball players (meaning they have traits beyond the physical barrier of entry), but hockey players lack the explosive movement ability that is required for the NBA (or NFL, for that matter).
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:13 am to
Have you ever even watched a hockey game????
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:23 am to
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None of them from either league could play in the MLB. But no one wants to have that conversation.

Because baseball requires highly specialized skills

None of them could play pro soccer, either, or tennis, golf, etc. for the same reason.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:26 am to
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6’3 230-240 Lb guys

Chancellor was more like 220-225

And the reason those guys don't exist in the NBA is 6-3 is really short for the NBA. You only have a few guys bulking at that size like Lou Dort.

But it is a lot easier for those 6-3, 215 guys to bulk up to 235 than for a 6-3 guy to grow to 6-8
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:28 am to
Simms and Florio were butthurt about this today. I think Simms' point was that for the most part, football guys have more specialized athletic traits (pure speed for WRs and DBs, for instance) and basketball is a bit more well-rounded (except for jumping explosion) and cardiac/endurance oriented. He felt most NBA guys wouldn't be strong enough for the NFL.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:28 am to
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There plenty of nfl players that could play in the nba..

Not really.

How many non-lineman in the NFL are 6-5 or taller?

That's going to decrease your potential population a great deal. Once you separate out TEs, your population is going to be what? 10 guys?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 7:31 am to
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I think Simms' point was that for the most part, football guys have more specialized athletic traits (pure speed for WRs and DBs, for instance)

I think if you took athletic guards from the NBA and had them do a 40 training regime for a few weeks (like for the NFL combine), their 40s would blow people away.

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He felt most NBA guys wouldn't be strong enough for the NFL.

If you just dropped them, maybe. I think there are plenty strong enough for WR or CB, though.

However, like I said above, it's easier to put on 10-15 lbs of muscle than grow 4-5 inches. There just isn't a large population of guys in the NFL who even have a chance, to make this conversation even.
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