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What Aging or Unproductive Players are Eating Most Saint’s Cap Space ??
Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:24 pm
If someone could please list out the aging or unproductive saints players eating our salary cap…. I would be grateful and we can analyze the data. Thanks
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Posted on 5/5/24 at 10:52 pm to TigerSaurus
Singular possessive? Really?! LOL!
Posted on 5/5/24 at 11:03 pm to TigerSaurus
Cam Jordan sucks now. Lattimore and Ramczyk are still good but injured a lot. Demario is still elite but his production is likely to fall of a cliff any day now as he's old AF.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 6:16 am to TigerSaurus
Posted on 5/6/24 at 6:30 am to Weekend Warrior79
Following the link provided by Weekend Warrior….. Taysom Hill and Lattimore account for $30,000,000.
That’s ridiculous and should be eliminated.
Taysom is a luxury you can no longer afford.
Lattimore can now be replaced with the quality CB’s drafted recently … and now Adebo will need to be paid.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 8:36 am to Weekend Warrior79
Wow, this is worse than I thought and should put to bed just about any hoping of getting any value in a trade from some of these guys. These contracts are atrocious. Extend, extend, extend - that's all you can do if you're trying to keep your job... we definitely need a vomit emoji in here.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 8:44 am to UpstairsComputer
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Extend, extend, extend
That's been the MO since 2010, which is why I know this team won't whiff another post-season run until the entire house gets cleaned. The Saints haven't drafted well in 7 years, that's another reason why they have had to extend veteran players. This is the football equivalent of watching a cancer patient slowly turn into a skeleton before your eyes. That being said, I think this was a pretty good draft for the Saints but it's likely too little, too late.
This post was edited on 5/6/24 at 8:51 am
Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:04 am to bountyhunter
Unless they extend them, I think the writing is on the wall for Kamara, Lattimore and Hill.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:12 am to saints5021
One notable thing I noticed is we only have 11 million in dead money for Michael Thomas and 3 million for Jameis. Not terrible, considering how much dead money we typically carry each year. Ram has 35 million in dead money, but his cap number is only 12 million this season, so you are looking at two hits of 11.5 million the next two seasons when he officially retires.
Assuming we move off of Kamara, Hill and Lattimore before next offseason, your biggest cap hits for older players will be Cam Jordan (about 24 million), Derek Carr (50 million), Demario Davis (17 million) and Tyrann Mathieu (12 million).
Depending on what they do with them, that would be the end of our soft reboot.
Assuming we move off of Kamara, Hill and Lattimore before next offseason, your biggest cap hits for older players will be Cam Jordan (about 24 million), Derek Carr (50 million), Demario Davis (17 million) and Tyrann Mathieu (12 million).
Depending on what they do with them, that would be the end of our soft reboot.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:16 am to UpstairsComputer
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we definitely need a vomit emoji in here.
We have it
Just take out the spaces before & after the colons 
: yack :
Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:20 am to saints5021
Another thing to look at is the Post June 1st cut numbers of our older expensive players, assuming they get cut:
Kamara - 7.8 million dead, 10.6 million cap savings
Taysom - 7.2 million dead, 8.5 million cap savings
Lattimore - 22.6 million dead, - 8 million cap savings
And here are their numbers if they get traded after June 1st:
Kamara - 6.8 million dead, 11.6 million cap savings
Taysom - 5.7 million dead, 10 million cap savings
Lattimore - 10.6 million dead, 3.9 million cap savings
No one will trade for Kamara and Taysom, and they are both still productive, so I imagine they will play out their current contracts. I would look for Loomis to try to lock up Adebo before June and then look to move Lattimore in a trade.
Kamara - 7.8 million dead, 10.6 million cap savings
Taysom - 7.2 million dead, 8.5 million cap savings
Lattimore - 22.6 million dead, - 8 million cap savings
And here are their numbers if they get traded after June 1st:
Kamara - 6.8 million dead, 11.6 million cap savings
Taysom - 5.7 million dead, 10 million cap savings
Lattimore - 10.6 million dead, 3.9 million cap savings
No one will trade for Kamara and Taysom, and they are both still productive, so I imagine they will play out their current contracts. I would look for Loomis to try to lock up Adebo before June and then look to move Lattimore in a trade.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:27 am to saints5021
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we only have 11 million in dead money for Michael Thomas and 3 million for Jameis.
Check back after 6/01, these were both designated as post 6/01 cuts, so those numbers for 2024 will be adjusted. If you click on the 2025 tab you will see MT already accounts for $9M & Winston $7M for next year. I do not recall what the final impact to the 2024 cap will be.
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Assuming we move off of Kamara, Hill and Lattimore before next offseason,
I don't think Kamara & Hill are going anywhere. It could very well be coach speak, but Kubiak has already gushed at how he is looking forward to working with Hill. And I am sure he would like to put Kamara in that McCaffrey type role.
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your biggest cap hits for older players will be Cam Jordan (about 24 million), Derek Carr (50 million), Demario Davis (17 million) and Tyrann Mathieu (12 million).
You already know Carr is getting extended. If you were holding out hope they would figure out a way not to touch his contract, might as well move past that now
I can only hope they don't just keep restructuring Demario (35) & Tyrann (32) and they actually work out an extension. I realize they are older and you eventually need to move on, but IMO one of the things that has buried this team's cap is they keep adding void year on the back end. Then suddenly their contract is done and we now have this huge cap hit about to land on the books AND we need to resign or replace the player. So, you are basically getting nailed with 2 huge hits at once. Extend some of these bigger contracts to help spread these costs while they are still on the roster; and work on the truly bad contracts and/or those about to retire. If we weren't in the cap hell we are now, you could look to let the contract play out and take the his. The problem is over the next 2 seasons*, damn near every one of these big contracts will be coming off the books at once
*In 2026, there are only 15 players currently on the team (not counting the new rookies) that have a salary; including Latt & Ram that we all expect to be traded and retired, respectively, over the next year. FYI, only 4 players in 2027
Posted on 5/6/24 at 10:37 am to TigerSaurus
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Taysom Hill
He’s also getting VERY old for his role despite lack of long term wear and tear. He’s likely to start getting injured A LOT more.
Posted on 5/6/24 at 1:42 pm to TigerSaurus
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Taysom is a luxury you can no longer afford
We could probably trade a 6th for a Tommy Stevens type player...oh wait
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:06 pm to St Augustine
If you trade Lattimore… good replacements are currently on the roster.
If you trade or release Hill…. our current back up QBs could replace Hill’s PASSING numbers if needed.
However…. If you trade or release Kamara… his replacement is NOT on the roster right now.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 4:29 pm to TigerSaurus
I hope the new OC gets whoever he wants and gets rid of who he doesn't.
Posted on 5/9/24 at 5:02 pm to TigerSaurus
Running back is literally the easiest position to replace
There is no replacing Taysom Hill
Heart and soul of the team. Plays 10 positions efficiently. Winning quarterback. Actually a good guy as well.
There is no replacing Taysom Hill
Heart and soul of the team. Plays 10 positions efficiently. Winning quarterback. Actually a good guy as well.
Posted on 5/10/24 at 8:20 am to saints5021
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No one will trade for Kamara and Taysom
Ad long as CSP is in the league, never say never!
Posted on 5/10/24 at 4:18 pm to St Augustine
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He’s also getting VERY old for his role despite lack of long term wear and tear. He’s likely to start getting injured A LOT more.
Honestly I think we are going to start seeing more injuries pop up.
He has had a few already.
Will be interesting to see how they handle him. I could see going him a 2 year deal with some real money in the first yr spread over 2
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