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Putin Isn’t Scared of Ukraine’s $61 Billion Boost
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:10 pm
Anyone who thinks that the $61 billion for Ukraine will intimidate Putin, raise your hand.
Now, go sit in the corner.
aei.org
Now, go sit in the corner.
aei.org
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American aid will undoubtedly bolster Ukraine’s defenses. It probably won’t be enough to help this Ukrainian military — which has shown little talent for complex operations against well-prepared positions — evict the enemy from its land. And even if Ukraine does stymie Russian attacks and inflict awful casualties on Moscow’s forces, there’s no guarantee Putin will call it quits.
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The politics of aid have gotten more difficult in Washington, so don’t expect many more big tranches of assistance for Kyiv. If Trump is elected in November, US policy could change dramatically. The US may just have convinced Putin that he won’t win the war by default this year. It probably hasn’t convinced him that he can’t outlast the West, and Ukraine, over time.
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Even if Putin faces growing problems in 2025 and after, he still runs a larger, stronger country confronting a smaller, weaker one. And whatever pain Western sanctions have inflicted has been offset by the remarkable quantities of aid, economic and military, that his autocratic brethren in North Korea, Iran and China have been willing to provide.
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Can Kyiv build a military that is capable of busting through layered, well-defended Russian lines? Can Europe ramp up ammunition production to sustain the Ukrainian military if and when America pulls back? Will the US and its allies agree to seize frozen Russian assets and deliver them to Ukraine? Are they willing to do things — like driving Putin’s oil off the global market or having a sanctions showdown with Chinese banks involved in trade with Russia — that are necessary to really tighten the economic squeeze?
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Perhaps most vexing: If Putin can’t conquer Ukraine, but won’t stop fighting, how far will the US and NATO go to force Russia to bring the war to an end?
That $61 billion in US aid has bought time to address these issues. It hasn’t provided any easy answers. As the potential for near-term disaster in Ukraine recedes, the longer-term dilemmas come right back into view.
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Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:13 pm to Perfect Circle
Yea because when you already had 200+ billion and all your elite fighters try a major counter offensive and they loss more land you’re not going to win with 60 billion and conscripts you pulled off the street
Posted on 5/3/24 at 8:20 pm to Perfect Circle
Because he knows that most of that money goes back to American pockets like we all do.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:01 pm to Perfect Circle
It could be a long time before Ukraine's military is able to master combined arms offensive operational warfare. Maybe never.
Putin's Russia is not going to quit this war. Putin knows that, given enough time, the USA will quit this war. It could take ten years, though.
Putin's Russia is not going to quit this war. Putin knows that, given enough time, the USA will quit this war. It could take ten years, though.
Posted on 5/3/24 at 9:06 pm to Perfect Circle
How much of the 61 billion actually makes it the front?
Posted on 5/3/24 at 11:33 pm to Perfect Circle
quote:you gargle Putin balls
Perfect Circle
Posted on 5/4/24 at 6:45 am to Perfect Circle
This $61B won't get any different results than the first $100B or the next.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 7:26 am to RaoulDuke504
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Yea because when you already had 200+ billion and all your elite fighters try a major counter offensive and they loss more land you’re not going to win with 60 billion and conscripts you pulled off the street
Bingoooooo!!!
And Ill add in.
First, its not 61, billion, a fair portion is going to civil servants to run their govt, and retirement funds. Another 10 billion Ive never seen accounted for. The actual military expenditures I found were thirty some odd billion dollars. With Patriot systems costing billions and every Patriot missile at 4 million a pop and them sending them off like drunken soldiers it wont last long.
Second, they blew through the 200 billion BEFORE Russia got ramped up, now they are trying to defend 100 drone strikes a night. And a pending massive assault.
Face it, the money is a band aid to last them, or rather have them limping and crippled to November, then they will be abandoned just like we abandoned our own troops and allies in Afghanistan, and a dozen other places throughout the world, when thier political usefulness is over.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 7:34 am to narddogg81
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Perfect Circle
you gargle Putin balls
narrdog,
Your sexual "projections" regarding Putin are blatantly obvious at this point, they are in every post.
Just admit it and stop projecting little narly warly's fantasies on to others
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:05 am to Perfect Circle
He will be when they pass the Ukraine 10 year payments that the next president will not be allowed to overturn
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:09 am to Perfect Circle
It’s amazing our leaders are falling for the same trick that brought down the USSR
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:34 am to Perfect Circle
Putin and anyone else who understands warfare at the ground and pound level knows it's going to take hundreds of thousands of additional soldiers for Ukraine to have any chance against Russia......money isn't the answer for Ukraine, it's soldiers.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:42 am to Prominentwon
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Because he knows that most of that money goes back to American pockets like we all do.
I promise you most people do not know that this money goes back to the MIC while Ukraine gets our stockpile. At this point this war has been one massive demonstration that Poland really, really likes. Their shopping card is over flowing
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:52 am to 2024GoTigas
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How much of the 61 billion actually makes it the front?
Probably less than 1.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 8:54 am to Perfect Circle
yeah no shite. $61 billion isn't enough to fight a full conventional war. unless we switch over to mass producing factory lines, the only beneficiaries of these so called weapons packages are the MIC bros.
kudos to them though, they have the best grift in the empire.
kudos to them though, they have the best grift in the empire.
This post was edited on 5/4/24 at 8:57 am
Posted on 5/4/24 at 9:43 am to Perfect Circle
Russia will eventually win the battles like we did in Afghanistan but not win the war. Asymmetrical warfare over the next twenty years will take a toll. As long as any part of Ukraine survives there will be war.
What should be happening is peace. Both sides need to face reality and end the killing. Continue the war and both sides lose. Their economy wrecked, people dying and it continues for years. Whatever Russia hopes to gain just isn’t worth it.
We face the same reality. Continuous war has not strengthened us. It has cost us blood and treasure for no gain.
What should be happening is peace. Both sides need to face reality and end the killing. Continue the war and both sides lose. Their economy wrecked, people dying and it continues for years. Whatever Russia hopes to gain just isn’t worth it.
We face the same reality. Continuous war has not strengthened us. It has cost us blood and treasure for no gain.
Posted on 5/4/24 at 1:23 pm to Bass Tiger
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Putin and anyone else who understands warfare at the ground and pound level knows it's going to take hundreds of thousands of additional soldiers for Ukraine to have any chance against Russia......money isn't the answer for Ukraine, it's soldiers.
To win this war and drive Russia off of Ukraine territory, it will take Western nation boots on the ground. Ukraine will never be able to mobilize and train a 21st century combined arms force capable of sustaining an offensive.
This was will go on for many more years. All Russia has to do is to keep the war going until the USA decides to quit.
Can the USA go five more years? Russia can.
Ten more years, USA? Russia can.
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