re: Hamas leader describes how they didn’t kill any civilians on Oct 7

Maybe it was all just CGI.

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just to take hostages, but a number of regular citizens broke through and are the ones who went apeshite.

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A couple of things here:

1) rationalizing that grabbing some hostages as opposed to a killing spree, constitutes a legitimate action is nonsense.

2) if Hamas opened the gates, it effectively gave the green light to the regular citizens. That's still on Hamas.

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There is a whole rabbit hole of the IDF gunning down people, but no one here will listen.

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Reports of confusion and the IDF shooting its own citizens were not hard to find in the days following the attack. And in the chaos of the moment, that is not difficult to believe. But the notion that Hamas "killed no one" and the deaths are a function of the IDF mowing down all of these citizens is silly on its face.

Don't be a Hamas apologist. They were on just about everyone's list of terrorist organizations until they won elections in Palestine. ..and for good reason.

I guess after October 7th and seeing all the cheering in the streets of Gaza I no longer cared how Israel responded. Hamas never surrendered so I wouldn’t be against Israel conquering and vanquishing the entire area.

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No, there's no pictures like that

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Well, there you have it...

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I don't support hamas, i think they are working for the israeli government.

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You’re a special kind of REEEEEEEEtawded

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We see the same denials of reality with cOViD, BLM (mostly peaceful riots) & election fraud here.

Don’t believe your lying eyes.

Trust the science.

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Operation Desert Storm IIRC, after a thousand sorties destroyed the worlds second or third largest army, we walked in... I'll never forget a quote from one of Iraq's populus, self-reflecting in the newspaper article [all but extinct now]... 'After what we've been told... this is it? The only thing we muslims are good at, is lying'.

Are the downvoters not agreeing with the prediction?

Or do you think we are already there?

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Are the downvoters not agreeing with the prediction?

Or do you think we are already there?

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we are already there.

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It's weird to me how this board doesn't believe MSM narratives on almost anything, but just swallows them whole when it comes to Israel.

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Weird timing for this comment. The subject of the OP is a Hamas leader lying about the context of video footage of their soldiers killing Israeli civilians. I don’t have to believe anything about Israel to not trust the other side.

This entire conflict highlights people’s inability to accept the world as a very grey place. You don’t have to side with Israel to know Hamas is a wicked terrorist organization. And you certainly don’t have to side with that terrorist organization if you don’t think Israel’s hands are clean.

I don’t think he’s lying.

But I also don’t think he defines civilian the way we do.

The hard truth is that by their own words and videos Hamas does not consider Jewish settlers in those areas as civilians, but as combatants or at a minimum occupiers.

When an organization talks about pushing Israel into the sea do people thing they plan to let the women and children stay?

I am 100% opposed to starving the civilians left in the combat zone as is currently occurring, but let’s not pretend Hamas has any compunction about slaughtering every last Jewish child if if it means securing the area and defeating Israel.