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Boeing weapons don't work in Ukraine

Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:25 pm
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51585 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:25 pm
The Defense One website reported:

Defense 1 website.


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U.S.-provided precision-guided munitions have failed in mission after mission in Ukraine, taken down by Russian electronic warfare. On Wednesday, the Pentagon revealed the latest casualty.

A new ground-launched version of an air-to-ground weapon developed for Ukraine on a rapid timeline failed to hit targets in part because of Russian electro-magnetic warfare, Bill LaPlante, the Pentagon's acquisition chief, said at an event held by think tank CSIS.

LaPlante suggested that Ukraine may no longer be interested in the weapon. “When you send something to people in the fight of their lives that just doesn’t work, they’ll try it three times and they’ll just throw it aside,” said LaPlante.

The weapon LaPlante is referring to is very likely the Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb (GLSDB) based on his description, according to Bryan Clark, a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute.

A Boeing spokesperson did not confirm that LaPlante was referring to GLSDB, but said the company is “working closely with the [Defense Department] on spiral capability improvements to the ground-launch SDB system.” Spiral capability improvements refers to an iterative software development process.

The GLDSB boasts a range of 90 miles—double the range of the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System (GMRLS) missiles Ukraine previously used to wreak havoc on Russia’s logistic centers. Funding for the weapon was approved in February 2023, and Ukraine was reportedly using the weapon by February 2024.

The weapon relies on GPS to navigate to its targets. It also has an inertial navigation system, which navigates to a target by estimating its position through the use of accelerometers and other devices.

But it is not the first GPS-guided weapon to fall afoul of Russian electronic warfare. ...

In congressional testimony in March, Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Daniel Patt said the targeting system for the GPS-guided Excalibur round “dropped from 70 percent effectiveness to 6 percent effectiveness over a matter of a few months as new EW mechanisms came out” in Ukraine. Patt cited the work of Jack Watling, an expert at think-tank RUSI who has traveled to Ukraine multiple times to interview Ukrainian commanders.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13329 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:45 pm to
welp, we've found the place the people on the TV show Lost were stranded at.

Realistically, EW is a constant back and forth. Unfortunately Ukraine doesn't have the technical skills to make adjustments.

They'll just make them "dumb" and lob them east.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11918 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:48 pm to
People here and on the OT will tell us that Russia's military is awful. The truth is that it's a competent military with plenty of technology and capability to serve as a peer competitor to anyone on the planet. People need to realize this now, before the arguments to put US troops in Ukraine begin - because that's where we're headed. When that happens, it's going to be ugly.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34341 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:49 pm to
Did Ukraine honestly think we would supply them weapons with classified internals
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40232 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 6:50 pm to
Better for the Ukrainian military to find out the hard way that they don’t work than for the US military.
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
61382 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 7:01 pm to
Well, that's concerning...
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35686 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 7:06 pm to
I’m getting a group together to take over Coates Hall until LSU divests from the war in Ukraine if anyone is interested.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
8020 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 7:27 pm to
The Russians have gone to school on NATO weapons systems. They have become stronger as a result of this war.
Posted by TigersnJeeps
FL Panhandle
Member since Jan 2021
1735 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 7:57 pm to
How is effectiveness being measured?

Is the INS failing as well?

Is the anti-jam capability in these export weapons the same as those in our military?

Conversely, what are we learning about Russia's EW, GPS etc?
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64618 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 8:02 pm to
Boeing is on quite the sh!t roll these last few years. From space, air and weapons.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
82859 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 9:31 pm to
America doesn’t win anymore
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96770 posts
Posted on 4/30/24 at 9:39 pm to
This is what happens when you use Justin Hammer’s tech.
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
11086 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 6:20 am to
Boeing has become such a shite show.

Typical c-level ruination of a once perfectly viable corporation…
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
5571 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 6:43 am to
Russia jams GPS.
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11894 posts
Posted on 5/1/24 at 7:40 am to
I wonder if Boeing is being sabotaged by large stock shorters.
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