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In a sense, this has been a great scenario for us.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:06 am
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:06 am
Its gotten so F'ing bad, the national ridicule is so strong, and fans are so apathetic, that Griffin basically has to act. And not just act, but act fairly big. OKC started a rebuild around when you did, went all in on actually rebuilding, and lapped the ever living frick out of you.
Anything remotely approaching status quo simply will not work.
Griffin/Benson's hands are forced.
Anything remotely approaching status quo simply will not work.
Griffin/Benson's hands are forced.
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Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:10 am to Fun Bunch
Absolutely agree. A complete 180 in a matter of 2 weeks. I feel like we’ve said it time and time again, but this is really going to be the most important off season in this regime’s history.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:13 am to Fun Bunch
Griff wont be forced to do anything. Gayle doesn’t hold people accountable and almost no chance she pays the tax so we won’t have any wiggle room.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:20 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Its gotten so F'ing bad, the national ridicule is so strong, and fans are so apathetic, that Griffin basically has to act. And not just act, but act fairly big. OKC started a rebuild around when you did, went all in on actually rebuilding, and lapped the ever living frick out of you.
Anything remotely approaching status quo simply will not work.
Griffin/Benson's hands are forced.
Don't forget Minnesota. Zion's second year the Pelicans were 31-41, the Wolves were 23-49, and the Thunder were 22-50.
Fast forward a few years the Thunder and Wolves were two of the top three seeds in the West and the Pelicans had to win a play-in game just to make the playoffs, and are now about to get swept, while the Wolves swept the Lakers and OKC is about to do the sweeping as well.
Also, I don't believe for a second Griff will do anything big. They'll have a new center next year, maybe a new bench piece. But that's it.
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:28 am to Fun Bunch
quote:Does anyone really believe that though? They will not be forced into doing something they do not want to. Griffin runs the show and loves BI and CJ. Will he agree to part with one of both?
Griffin/Benson's hands are forced.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:28 am to Fun Bunch
You are correct. I’m hoping for a sweep to leave no doubt. Hate rooting against my pelicans but a 4th game blowout would guarantee big changes
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:34 am to Fun Bunch
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and lapped the ever living frick out of you.
I don't believe that. They have the healthy star player and we dont. They have far more quality depth and a better hc, and number 2 3 and 4 player, and they have better picks but......
Oh wait they lapped the frick out of us.
In all seriousness, while they're ahead of us, it magnified because, once again, Zion got injured. They've made the playoffs one time less than us up to this point, and will have one more series victory. If SGA was hurt and Zion was playing it'd be 3-0 or 2-1 the other way, I feel very confident in that. He's that big of a difference maker for us.
The Pels can be fixed. You're going to have to change a lot of things, but it can be done.
This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 9:38 am
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:44 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Its gotten so F'ing bad, the national ridicule is so strong, and fans are so apathetic, that Griffin basically has to act. And not just act, but act fairly big. OKC started a rebuild around when you did, went all in on actually rebuilding, and lapped the ever living frick out of you.
Anything remotely approaching status quo simply will not work.
Griffin/Benson's hands are forced.
I made a thread saying the same. Imagine if we'd have lost to the kings and missed the playoffs. Griff would blame it on BI and Zion's injuries and would run it back. This embarrassment shoves the actual reality right in Griff's face
Posted on 4/29/24 at 9:54 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
In a sense, this has been a great scenario for us.
I love that the fanbase has arrived at “getting swept out of the first round is actually a good thing” in our cycle of depression This post was edited on 4/29/24 at 9:57 am
Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:26 am to Fun Bunch
Griff fricked up this rebuild from the get go. He had time when Zion was a rookie to add assets for over priced vets on bad contracts. Instead he gave up assets for players like Adams.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 10:41 am to Fun Bunch
Yes, some people will say you’re a fake fan but for the succesful longevity of this team you have to wish we get swept. Wish we never made the playoff to begin with
Posted on 4/29/24 at 1:07 pm to Fun Bunch
So many things can happen but I firmly believe you need a great GM.
OKC was dealt a death blow when KD left. At that time he was a top 5 talent. OKC got 0 picks and 0 trade value out of him - he just walked away. Thats a crapload of value you can’t get back.
So the GM knew the fanbase was devastated and being so new he knew this was a delicate time long term. Move all the rest of your good players (to start over) and fans may leave in droves and assume NBA is rigged for big market cities.
So what Presti did was talk Russ into coming back and cementing his OKC legacy. And they had a press conference at the arena and fans filled it up. And Russ said he was staying - it was that moment he’ll always be held in high regard here, no matter what he does elsewhere. Him staying and then winning MVP was a “recovery” year - mostly for the fans sake. He took them to playoffs with a very raw team. Sabonis was a rookie. Dipo was oft injured. Adams was still learning.
Then Presti decided to give it one more try and brought in PG and Melo. After failing to get to finals - the biggest thing it did was tell newish OKC fans there was no path to a title by basically filling potholes year after year. And at that point the fans knew it too.
So what he did was started to make trades to get back value for all these players. He traded PG to LAC and got SGA and a crapload of picks. Traded Russ for picks and most had said Russ contract made him untradeable. Traded Sabonis and Adams and Dipo and so on. And for the most part they appeased fans who knew the only way up was down first.
So to NOP - you are in that Russ after KD phase. Can you make enough moves while keeping current good players and get them over the hump? If not then you have to maximize trade value of top players to load up for the rebuild. And find your long term coach who will grow with the new players.
The challenge with rebuilds is if your GM misses on some key top drafts - that can ruin the rebuild and you get stuck in no mans land. Too good to draft high and too bad to go far. When Presti drafted Holmgren and he was hurt for the season - so many pundits said how bad that draft pick was. But it turned out great just a year later.
I contend Zion is a great player if surrounded by some good talent. I think you can build around him - but it will take going all in and spending into tax cap and lux tax. You can be over 3 of 4 years before it gets very punitive so you have 4 years to go all in and spend and surround him with talent. If your GM (and owners) will not let you go into tax then it will be hard to get over the top.
I personally think Presti is great with drafts and acquiring picks and whenever he leaves OKC we’ll never have anyone as good again. He’s made some mistakes in the first empire building (the KD/Russ/Harden era) but my guess is he learned better for this second try.
The key is identifying when you need to rebuild before your star players have any decline. You want to maximize their trade value as there’s always a team thats “one player away” and will trade the farm to get him.
Rebuilds are never assured and have many roadblocks. The big market teams can reload because they have the big money owners who will buy their rings - look at GS and all the punitive tax they are paying but their owner doesn't care he got his titles. Smaller market teams have to be precise in their moves and one or two wrong can set them back years.
Your team will have a lot of thinking to do off season.
OKC was dealt a death blow when KD left. At that time he was a top 5 talent. OKC got 0 picks and 0 trade value out of him - he just walked away. Thats a crapload of value you can’t get back.
So the GM knew the fanbase was devastated and being so new he knew this was a delicate time long term. Move all the rest of your good players (to start over) and fans may leave in droves and assume NBA is rigged for big market cities.
So what Presti did was talk Russ into coming back and cementing his OKC legacy. And they had a press conference at the arena and fans filled it up. And Russ said he was staying - it was that moment he’ll always be held in high regard here, no matter what he does elsewhere. Him staying and then winning MVP was a “recovery” year - mostly for the fans sake. He took them to playoffs with a very raw team. Sabonis was a rookie. Dipo was oft injured. Adams was still learning.
Then Presti decided to give it one more try and brought in PG and Melo. After failing to get to finals - the biggest thing it did was tell newish OKC fans there was no path to a title by basically filling potholes year after year. And at that point the fans knew it too.
So what he did was started to make trades to get back value for all these players. He traded PG to LAC and got SGA and a crapload of picks. Traded Russ for picks and most had said Russ contract made him untradeable. Traded Sabonis and Adams and Dipo and so on. And for the most part they appeased fans who knew the only way up was down first.
So to NOP - you are in that Russ after KD phase. Can you make enough moves while keeping current good players and get them over the hump? If not then you have to maximize trade value of top players to load up for the rebuild. And find your long term coach who will grow with the new players.
The challenge with rebuilds is if your GM misses on some key top drafts - that can ruin the rebuild and you get stuck in no mans land. Too good to draft high and too bad to go far. When Presti drafted Holmgren and he was hurt for the season - so many pundits said how bad that draft pick was. But it turned out great just a year later.
I contend Zion is a great player if surrounded by some good talent. I think you can build around him - but it will take going all in and spending into tax cap and lux tax. You can be over 3 of 4 years before it gets very punitive so you have 4 years to go all in and spend and surround him with talent. If your GM (and owners) will not let you go into tax then it will be hard to get over the top.
I personally think Presti is great with drafts and acquiring picks and whenever he leaves OKC we’ll never have anyone as good again. He’s made some mistakes in the first empire building (the KD/Russ/Harden era) but my guess is he learned better for this second try.
The key is identifying when you need to rebuild before your star players have any decline. You want to maximize their trade value as there’s always a team thats “one player away” and will trade the farm to get him.
Rebuilds are never assured and have many roadblocks. The big market teams can reload because they have the big money owners who will buy their rings - look at GS and all the punitive tax they are paying but their owner doesn't care he got his titles. Smaller market teams have to be precise in their moves and one or two wrong can set them back years.
Your team will have a lot of thinking to do off season.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 1:48 pm to Fun Bunch
i think the belief that griff will make major changes this offseason is wishful thinking. you're looking at it through the lens of a disgruntled fan. for griff, he has absolutely zero pressure from his owner to do anything. There is no killer instinct from Gayle to get this thing off the ground, she really doesn't care. he is also unwilling to trade for anything below equal value, which he is not going to get for BI or CJ after their most recent showings.
Should he abandon the current core and explore new options? Yes. Will he? doubtful.
Side note: this is not a Willie thread, but the difference between him and Daigneault is so distinguishable it's laughable. He'll be retained as well.
Should he abandon the current core and explore new options? Yes. Will he? doubtful.
Side note: this is not a Willie thread, but the difference between him and Daigneault is so distinguishable it's laughable. He'll be retained as well.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 2:25 pm to Fun Bunch
Yes but do you trust him to act big in a positive way? I sure as shite don’t. Something has to change though.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 2:26 pm to Fun Bunch
Definitely agree. Actually glad we are getting clapped so it can be a reality check for Griff that you absolutely cannot run this same team back. Soft rebuild/major move has to happen.
Posted on 4/29/24 at 2:30 pm to Fun Bunch
Lol if you think griff will do anything of significance
“Zion missing the playoffs really hurt but we have a really solid foundation here to build on”
“Zion missing the playoffs really hurt but we have a really solid foundation here to build on”
Posted on 4/29/24 at 7:00 pm to Fun Bunch
You can go get whobever you want this team is winning shite with Willie as HC and unfortunately he will be back next season. So we will be is the 40+ wins and a play in scenario again, but Memphis and Houston will be better and we will not.
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