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re: Harvey Weinstein conviction overturned

Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:51 am to
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
17049 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:51 am to
That’s what happens when you get greedy and swing for the fences

A base hit will help win games.

Play smart and don’t go for broke.

They tried to throw everything including the kitchen sink at the guy and it wasn’t necessary. They got sloppy with wanting blood that badly
Posted by DitkaAndDaBoers
Member since Apr 2024
51 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:58 am to
quote:

So basically they didn’t follow procedure? But everyone still knows he did at least some of what was alleged?


This is why the Waukesha judge put up with all of DB's shite when the rest of us (myself included) were screaming to bind and gag his arse. His case is airtight against appeal. She will be remembered as the judge who did it right. Will anyone even remember the Weinstein judge?
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
23796 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 9:59 am to
So they get to do the trial a second time. Harvey may not ultimately have any relief at all.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
19653 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:02 am to
I'm sure Weinstein ran an active casting couch, but that seems more like soliciting prostitution with rich career rewards than a case of rape.
Posted by Commandeaux
Zachary
Member since Jul 2009
7305 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:03 am to
Color me shocked
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7590 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:13 am to
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"including a decision to let women testify about allegations that weren’t part of the case"

Honestly that sounds like more than just not following procedure or a minor mistake. It sounds like the judge allowed evidence in trial that should have never been allowed in. He'll still get found guilty at retrial.


question for legal experts:

wouldn't allowing them to testify about this be considered testifying about his character?
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
3155 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:16 am to
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Those whores knew exactly what they were doing with Harvey


Some did. Don’t feel sorry for those. Also some didn’t. That’s why he’s not just a dirtbag, he’s also a criminal.
Posted by MattA
Member since Nov 2019
1610 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:32 am to
Yep. No clue about New York but other bad acts can come into evidence if it meets certain criteria. If it was this guys MO to do this with ladies then decent chance it gets in. In LA anyway.
Posted by Walt OReilly
Poplarville, MS
Member since Oct 2005
124648 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:41 am to
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So it’s of your opinion that Harvey did nothing wrong and is innocent.


I don’t really care either way. If he rots in prison that’s fine. If he gets out it’s whatever. He’s an old fat dude. He probably won’t live much longer

My life doesn’t revolve around these people
Posted by Hetfield
Dallas
Member since Jun 2013
7086 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 10:46 am to
Fun fact. Gavin Newsome’s current wife got nailed by Harvey Weinstein on the casting couch to get acting parts.
Gavin had to follow Harvey. That has to hurt.
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
17904 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:01 am to
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If my daughter was one of his victims, that dude would be hanging from a bridge


Most of the parents of the girls he abused probably offer them up to him.
Posted by GeauxNewUser
corner of wellborn & jersey
Member since Nov 2018
375 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:26 am to
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If my daughter was one of his victims, that dude would be hanging from a bridge


which begs the obvious questions
why don't we care about other peoples daughters?
why isn't he hanging off of a bridge somewhere?
Posted by piratedude
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2009
2509 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:41 am to
allowing testimony from women for whom no charges were ever brought is effectively telling the jury "Old Harve has been doing this for years, so you ought to convict him of this one." the reputation of being a rapist is not evidence that he committed this rape, and the jury must base their decision on the evidence.
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
31777 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:41 am to
I kinda believe the women he raped.

shite was overturned on technicality. Slimeball pos is still a slimeball pos
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
3924 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:43 am to
quote:

question for legal experts:

wouldn't allowing them to testify about this be considered testifying about his character?


I'm not an expert so perhaps an attorney can chime in here, but I seem to remember that there is a general prohibition against using past criminal convictions or allegations of bad behavior to prove current charges because the prejudicial aspect outweighs the value. For example if you were convicted of shoplifting 10 years ago and are now on trial for murder, the DA can't bring up your shoplifting charge.

There were/are some exceptions. For example if a person was convicted of robbing a bank in 1993 by cutting a hole in the roof and repelling down into the vault and was then re-arrested for bank robbery in 2007 by doing the same thing, you can't use the first bank robbery conviction in the current trial to argue that he was more likely to commit bank robbery but you could use it to show modus operandi - ie, he has experience cutting holes in the roof of banks so he definitely knew how to do this.

As to Weinstein, I seem to remember feminists getting huffed up about this rule because sexual assault crimes are notoriously difficult to bring and prove in court so they made an exception for sex assault claims. Now you can introduce "past sexual misbehavior" to prove current allegations under the theory "once a sexual deviant, always a sexual deviant". But I don't know the exact rules or whether you need an actual conviction to bring that in.
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
19563 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:52 am to
Now he's gonna really rape us.
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
10485 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:52 am to
quote:

So they get to do the trial a second time. Harvey may not ultimately have any relief at all.


He still has a 13 year sentence in California to serve that's back to back with whatever he has in New York. Even if the NY case goes back to trial and he gets acquitted, he still dies in prison.
Posted by scmustang
Charleston SC
Member since Nov 2016
163 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:56 am to
you can bet their arse they did
Posted by victoire sécurisé
Member since Nov 2012
4950 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:59 am to
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All depends on the case and what one is trying to prove by using it.


The fact that the 7 judges split 4-3 tells me that it depends far too much on interpretation.

When seven experienced legal scholars have a differing opinion on such a fundamental legal principle, it should be taken as a glowing neon sign that the language of the law needs to be refined. Lawmakers need to do better.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124523 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:01 pm to
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I kinda believe the women he raped.



"Raped" in the traditional sense doesn't really seem to fit here. He didn't corner them in an alley and yank their pants down.

Their handlers, like Oprah, pretty much hand delivered the girls to him, a millionaire movie producer.

It sort of went with the territory and was an open secret.

If they wanted the part, they let him put his grubby fingers inside them and more.

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