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Jayden Daniels = Next Marcus Mariota?

Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:23 pm
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:23 pm
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One of the more popular comps in this year’s NFL draft class is that LSU’s Jayden Daniels is the next Lamar Jackson. Unfortunately, I don’t think Jayden Daniels is the next Lamar Jackson. Let’s start with the rushing, since that’s clearly what drives this comp for most — to put it simply, we have never seen any quarterback in history run the ball like Lamar Jackson has. During his college career Lamar Jackson averaged 126 Yards Per Game on the ground and 8.6 Yards Per Carry. Those numbers are simply preposterous. Daniels has averaged 71.9 Yards Per Game and 7.5 Yards Per Carry. Those numbers are very good, in fact those numbers rank Jayden 5th in Rushing Yards Per Game out of 114 drafted or draft-eligible QBs.

However, the gap between Jayden at #5 and Lamar at #1 is greater than the gap between Jayden and former Purdue quarterback David Blough, who is 71st on the list. Daniels is in the territory of guys like Josh Dobbs, Trey Lance, and Marcus Mariota — all guys who can certainly be an asset for an NFL offense on the ground, but don’t even come close to affecting defenses to the extent of Lamar Jackson.

Lamar also loved to pound the intermediate and deep middle of the field, with 24.5% of his non-screen passing attempts going between the hashmarks at a depth of at least 10 yards down the field, the 11th highest rate of any of the first or second-round QBs taken since 2015 along with the presumed top 5 of this year’s QB class. Jayden Daniels targeted the same area of the field just 18.1% of the time in his career, the 5th lowest rate among QBs in that group, above only Christian Hackenberg, Teddy Bridgewater, Marcus Mariota, and Justin Fields. Attacking the middle of the field is a vital skill for almost any successful NFL passers, as that is where defenses are often most vulnerable and where big chunk plays are available. Middle of the field passing requires throwing with anticipation and without hesitation, however, and many more conservative passers are unwilling to navigate that heavily-trafficked area. In that regard, it’s hard to find two players more dissimilar in terms of aggression than Lamar and Daniels.

Despite Daniels’ pretty deep passing statistics this year in his 5th year breakout campaign, the conservative deep passing approach we’ve seen from him throughout his career likely says more about his NFL potential. Guys who aren’t willing to frequently push the ball downfield in college, instead waiting for their receivers to cleanly win outside before pulling the trigger, are unlikely to throw deep a lot in the NFL where 1 on 1 matchups outside are much harder to win and the occasional risk is necessary. The list of highly drafted QBs who went deep as rarely in their careers as Daniels is not a pretty one:

Now you might see that Patrick Mahomes’ name is on one of those lists and decide to rely on the outlier for hope. I can’t stop you, but I’d strongly argue that if you think Daniels and Mahomes have any tools in common or that Mahomes’ situation at Texas Tech resembled anything like what Daniels has enjoyed during his career, I think you are being dangerously generous. What should concern you is every other name on those lists, and most importantly the presence of Marcus Mariota.

Mariota, like Fields, appears on basically every list with Daniels. He scrambled from a clean pocket at an above average rate (though not as often as Daniels and Fields), scrambled at an above average rate overall (again not quite as often as Daniels and Fields), targeted MOF less often than those two, and like Daniels was an overly conservative deep passer. His NFL career is a tale of maddening inconsistency as he looked like a surefire star early on only to see his career disintegrate under a parade of turn downs, hits, sacks, fumbles, and injuries. A QB who takes too many sacks and won’t take chunk plays over the middle of the field but also won’t compensate by pushing the ball vertically is just not a very valuable NFL starter, unfortunately.


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Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
43543 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:27 pm to
Better then being the next Mac Jones
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
8541 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:41 pm to
He could be. Or he could be the next Fields or Tua or Zach Wilson. I get the statistical comparison but that is MUCH more a function of the offensive system than the player. If Patrick Mahomes had played at Iowa under Kirk Ferentz, he would've gone undrafted.
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
123826 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:42 pm to
What a random arse linked article
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40901 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 1:54 pm to
This is like factoring in Joe Burrow’s 2018 stats, JD clearly got over his fear of mistakes.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36784 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:29 pm to
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I’d strongly argue that if you think Daniels and Mahomes have any tools in common or that Mahomes’ situation at Texas Tech resembled anything like what Daniels has enjoyed during his career, I think you are being dangerously generous.


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Despite Daniels’ pretty deep passing statistics this year in his 5th year breakout campaign, the conservative deep passing approach we’ve seen from him throughout his career likely says more about his NFL potential.


Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67447 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 2:47 pm to
I dont think Jayden Daniels is very impressive if you look at his career averages.

I think Jayden Daniels is impressive if you have actually watched him. His numbers last year stunk, but it was clear how close he was to being insanely good.

Also, Saying Jayden Daniels is a Dodd level runner is fricking stupid. Makes me wonder if he’s watched a game.

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I’d strongly argue that if you think Daniels and Mahomes have any tools in common or that Mahomes’ situation at Texas Tech resembled anything like what Daniels has enjoyed during his career, I think you are being dangerously generous.


Arizona State was a fricking dumpster fire.
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 2:49 pm
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
15961 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:21 pm to
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I’d strongly argue that if you think Daniels and Mahomes have any tools in common or that Mahomes’ situation at Texas Tech resembled anything like what Daniels has enjoyed during his career, I think you are being dangerously generous

What is this supposed to mean?

Jayden enjoyed having his offense at ASU gutted by the transfer portal due to a looming NCAA investigation?

He enjoyed having such a horrific defense at LSU that he had to put up video game numbers to compensate for them? If anything, Mahomes' situation at Tech resembles this closely.
Posted by faraway
Member since Nov 2022
2252 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:26 pm to
Lamar jackson played against garbage defenses. i don't recall him doing so well against lsu in an exhibition game.
Posted by bad93ex
Walnut Cove
Member since Sep 2018
27551 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:38 pm to
Jayden Daniels will be better than Lamar Jackson
Posted by Dairy Sanders
Member since Apr 2022
1211 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:48 pm to
You presented facts with objective analysis so you have already confused and offended 75% of LSU fans off the rip.
Posted by grich31
Youngsville, La
Member since May 2008
1211 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:52 pm to
Nope that would be JJ McCarthy, JD5 will have the best career of this class of QBs drafted
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
28889 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 3:57 pm to
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Jayden Daniels targeted the same area of the field just 18.1% of the time in his career, the 5th lowest rate among QBs in that group,

Career, ignoring his development the last year.
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Despite Daniels’ pretty deep passing statistics this year in his 5th year breakout campaign, the conservative deep passing approach we’ve seen from him throughout his career likely says more about his NFL potential.

Stating his development but discounting it based on…a baseless opinion.

So this is all a lot of word garbage.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112456 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:27 pm to
Gonna end up heart broken when this goes chalk and he goes to the commanders but loving all the Daniels going passed 2 buzz bc the pats I think would take him if he’s there. That would be sick
Posted by MightyYat
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2009
24593 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 4:41 pm to
We're linking random blogs now? Sheesh. That's as random a link as I've ever seen on this site.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
35549 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 5:02 pm to
This will go over like a wet fart in church on here.

I think Penix will be the 2nd best QB in this class behind Maye.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
35549 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 5:05 pm to
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Lamar also loved to pound the intermediate and deep middle of the field, with 24.5% of his non-screen passing attempts going between the hashmarks at a depth of at least 10 yards down the field, the 11th highest rate of any of the first or second-round QBs taken since 2015 along with the presumed top 5 of this year’s QB class. Jayden Daniels targeted the same area of the field just 18.1% of the time in his career, the 5th lowest rate among QBs in that group, above only Christian Hackenberg, Teddy Bridgewater, Marcus Mariota, and Justin Fields.



That bolded part is damning.
Posted by Veritas
Raleigh, NC
Member since Feb 2005
6420 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 5:43 pm to
Drake Maye = Next Sam Darnold

Same block head face and everything
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
11086 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:11 pm to
Too bad Lamar chokes in big games, though…
Posted by Frac the world
The Centennial State
Member since Oct 2014
16993 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 9:17 pm to
You’re getting hammered by the pro LSU crowd, because they’re really defensive, truth is, nobody knows jack diddly shite. It’s such a crapshoot on where you get drafted.

I personally think he’s gonna be just a decent QB, 15-20 tier. I think he benefited from an incredible receiving core in college and could scramble more than he’ll be allowed to in the pros.

He’s really small too, idk if he’ll get crunched or not but possibility is there. I think he’ll be a starter for a long time but not “great” tier
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