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How the North Strangled the South after The War

Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:43 am
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:43 am
Here is an article from the April 17, 1961 edition of US News & World Report that covered the 100th anniversary of the War Between the States. It reported some aspects of reconstruction that are little mentioned today.

Archive.org link.



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There was no great relief efforts by the North comparable to those made by the U.S. after WWII, even though more than a million persons faced starvation in the South during the years following the war and some DID starve. Only a pittance of aid came from the North. The Government in Washington created a Freedmen's Bureau, which got $4 in taxes on cotton for each $1 it gave in relief. Funds from private charities were pathetically small in comparison to what was needed..."

"U.S Treasury agents streamed through the South in 1865 grabbing cotton, land, anything that they claimed to have been the property of the Confederacy. They took cotton valued at $30 million. Behind them came hordes of carpetbaggers (With the Wall Street Journal's blessing I'm sure. They'll invent some economic theory to justify it while professing to hate the looters in Atlas Shrugged) from the North to drain away any Southern Capital they could lay hands on..."

"Between 1868 and 1874 the carpetbaggers managed to build up the state debts in the South by $101,232,000.....Mississippi's tax rates for example, were 14 times higher at the end than the beginning.

"At that time (decades following civil war), the South was trying to educate a third of the nation's children in a dual school system, but it only had a sixth of the nation's school revenues."

"Northern capitalists took command of many Southern resources. A cottonseed-oil firm owned in the North controlled 88% of the production of that product. the entire supply of American bauxite, found in four Southern States, went to ONE Northern company. Control of 80% of America's sulphur was picked up by another firm....

Control of the major Southern railroads, the Alabama coal and iron industries, many millions of Southern timberlands was all held by Northern interests. Only the cotton-textile and tobacco industries, among major enterprises, remained principally under Southern control..."

Southern shippers had to pay higher freight rates than did shippers in the Northeast for sending the same goods equal distances (Everyone got that?) Rates were set by Southern railroads but the roads were controlled , largely, by Northern Capital. The rates held the approval of the Interstate Commerce Commission. Not until 1945 was this changed.

The Southern steel industry, doing a booming business in 1900, was virtually stopped in its track, Southerners said, by a rate structure imposed by the North. The rates required payment of price differentials so sharp that it became cheaper for an industry in New Orleans to buy steel from Pittsburgh than from Birmingham. Not until World War II were changes made in this system."



That last part is true. Found old newspaper articles from 1930's that reported Southern Governors and their delegations raising hell in DC over this.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 9:50 am
Posted by Michael T. Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2004
8249 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:45 am to
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Here is an article from the April 17, 1961 edition of US News & World Report that covered the 150th anniversary


The math isn't mathing...1861 + 150 = 2011
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55838 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:46 am to
FAFO
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
4289 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:46 am to
Sheer numbers my bruh.

The South had better leadership and the best strategist on the military side.

The North did exactly what China and Russia do. Throw numbers at the problem. Whoever dies isnt upper class anyways so who cares. Just kill them to death!
Posted by SaintlyTiger88
Louisiana
Member since Apr 2013
1992 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:46 am to
Would you guys agree the South is still feeling the effects of losing the Civil War, all these many years later?
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 11:54 am
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:46 am to
Oh well, FAFO.
Posted by prplhze2000
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51470 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:51 am to
Except Lincoln fired his generals and promoted the better ones until at the end, Grant and Sherman were the equals of Lee and his crew. Davis, well, he didn't like to fire people.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
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51470 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:52 am to
Look how long it took Spain to recover.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
4289 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:53 am to
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Except Lincoln fired his generals and promoted the better ones until at the end, Grant and Sherman were the equals of Lee and his crew. Davis, well, he didn't like to fire people.


Again, sheer numbers.

If REL had the numbers Grant had we would having a different conversation right now.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
14112 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:54 am to
And now the Southern pro-business environment has everyone moving down here.
Posted by GeauxHouston
Houston,TX
Member since Nov 2013
4455 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:56 am to
quote:

The South had better leadership and the best strategist on the military side.

Yeah and it didn’t help that Stonewall was shot by his own man. SMH.
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
15038 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:00 am to
The yankee carpetbagger did as much damage, if not more, than Grant and Sherman combined
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51470 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:02 am to
War lasts a couple of more years, than repeating rifles become widespread but only on one side.

The blockade was starving the south not just of food, but everything else. It couldn't produce anything. Ask Germany how the blockade worked out for it in 50 years.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51373 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:07 am to
quote:

Would you guys agree the South is still feeling the effects of losing the Civil War, all these many years ago?



No.

Maybe if the south didn't like like sore loser bitches about everything for the 75 years after the war ended, they'd be in a better spot today.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164337 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:09 am to
The North strangled the South before the War. That was a big reason for the War. Muh Slavery.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36714 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:15 am to
quote:

The North did exactly what China and Russia do. Throw numbers at the problem. Whoever dies isnt upper class anyways so who cares. Just kill them to death!



should have listened to Sam Houston

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Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South
Posted by Northshore Aggie
Mandeville
Member since Sep 2022
4770 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:20 am to
quote:

Would you guys agree the South is still feeling the effects of losing the Civil War, all these many years ago?

lol no.
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
6605 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:25 am to
Northern banks and the cutting off of credit to southern planters was the cause of the War, not freeing the slaves.
Also the northern business owners were envious of having to pay their laborers where the south only had to feed and house their slaves.
Posted by Mushroom1968
Member since Jun 2023
1617 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:44 am to
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And now the Southern pro-business environment has everyone moving down here.


Not saying it’s bad but that isn’t all good. Lots of yanks and Californians coming here and don’t be fooled by the they are conservatives, BS. Unbelievable the forests lost in Texas and Florida, traffic, urbanization, etc done over last 20-25 years. I was looking at old pictures of Destin vacation from early 90s not long ago. Was just a sleepy little southern beach town. Now it’s insane the growth and condos, barely see ocean anymore, mostly thanks to shitty yankees
Posted by ifyoubuildit
Member since Jan 2018
175 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 11:05 am to
We need reparations for how they treated us.
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