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re: Slovakia PM: Expect The West To Punish Us For Wanting To Stop The War In Ukraine
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:24 am to LuckyTiger
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:24 am to LuckyTiger
The only reason anyone in the U.S. cares about Ukraine is because the media tells us we have to.
If Ukraine ceased to exist tomorrow and the media reported nothing, no one would notice.
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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Again, they're not discussing policy. They're making low-IQ "globalism' "arguments", while being part of "globalism".
Yes, they are.
War, funding of war, impact of war, dispute resolution are all policy. They don’t want to leave; they disagree over policy and are expressing that disagreement and the possible results of that disagreement.
You just don’t like their words and rhetoric because you are a globalist and their words touched your globalist institutionalist nerve. And that’s fine.
They will continue to oppose the war, pressure will most likely be applied against them for their opposition, and it is very possible threats against them will be made. So they will probably be proven right. And you will probably have no issue with pressure and threats being made against them. To you, the more grave and unforgivable step will be them mentioning it.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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Show where I have supported a mass force on the ground or "nation building" of Ukraine. Link the post. If it's this obvious, it should be easy.
So when we do begin nation building in Ukraine, we can expect you to consistently post your opposition to it?
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:31 am to LuckyTiger
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So when we do begin nation building in Ukraine, we can expect you to consistently post your opposition to it?
Other than our standard aide that's already earmarked, that's Europe's problem. I imagine they will step up b/c they've been the primary supporters of Ukraine anyway.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:31 am to LuckyTiger
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You just don’t like their words and rhetoric because you are a globalist
They're in the fricking EU. They are globalists, too.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:46 am to GumboPot
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No one wants to fight this war except the MIC in the US, European elites and the OT war thread.
Err Russia does obviously.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:47 am to doubleb
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Err Russia does obviously.
And I hope Ukraine wins, without our help.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
Supposedly France is planning on confronting Russia. Me thinks Macron has a Napoleon Complex.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:55 am to RogerTheShrubber
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And I hope Ukraine wins, without our help.
I respect your opinion, but I don’t respect those that excuse what Russia has done and is currently doing.
For generations Americans have debated whether or not the US should get involved in foreign wars.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 8:59 am to LuckyTiger
Those following events in Slovakia
are aware of the intense efforts of Russia to influence politics there.
This was not muh Russia”. The Russian actions were overt and obvious.
are aware of the intense efforts of Russia to influence politics there.
This was not muh Russia”. The Russian actions were overt and obvious.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:08 am to Neutral Underground
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Supposedly France is planning on confronting Russia. Me thinks Macron has a Napoleon Complex.
Why?
Russia's actions have destabilized Europe and directly attacked the EU (Via their interference influencing the irrational decisions by the Russian-backed puppet in 2014 that started this whole mess).
France is part of Europe. They're supporting Ukraine. Same with Germany and many other EU countries.
And that's fine. This is their sphere.
The only threat for America is a large destabilization by the precedent set by Russia winning. That destabilized reality where invasion is essentially legal may disrupt global trade and cause major negative externalities across the world economy. The more rich and developed countries will feel these more than anyone else.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
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Giving old equipment and some money to Ukraine is not "neocon" policy
You're right. Pouring US money and equipment into a lost military conflict that does nothing to benefit the US is a purely Democrat policy.
I bet this dude defended Obama/Biden when they refused to give Ukraine the resources they needed to prevent the war. Now he wants a blank check to fund a lost war. Pure Democrat.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:12 am to jrodLSUke
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Pouring US money and equipment into a lost military conflict that does nothing to benefit the US
Eh, you're creating an argument based off an assumption that is not true.
A destabilized world is going to hurt the US. The question is if that cost is going to be greater than what we've paid (which is basically nothing as of today).
Also, assuming it's over is silly, as Europe is just starting to get involved directly.
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I bet this dude defended Obama/Biden when they refused to give Ukraine the resources they needed to prevent the war.
Ukraine alone was never going to be able to thwart Russia. At least without proper EU integration over a few decades to build their economy/infrastructure to modern levels. That's why this conflict is worrisome so many, because there are a lot of similar situations with the same sort of potential asymmetrical status between the aggressor and recipient nations.
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 9:13 am
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:17 am to SlowFlowPro
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Giving old equipment and some money to Ukraine is not "neocon" policy
This is literally a Neocon talking point
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:19 am to thebigmuffaletta
You're warping what "neocon" means like Trumpism warped what "conservative" means
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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American involvement is for the Drama Queens and cheerleaders.
Wrong, American involvement is for the war profiteers who manipulate the drama queens and cheerleaders to be their PR/Marketing wing for their war business ventures.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Disagreeing on one issue/one conflict might not necessarily mean they disagree with the entire existence of NATO and its purpose.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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So leave the EU and NATO.
I don't get why these pols try to play both sides and pretend like the EU/NATO are bad, yet they maintain their membership in both.
Some elected officials might try to use their position / pulpit to attempt to take a stand and change the system from within... or to speak to another perspective, or to speak to reason (if they take the stance the political body is being unreasonable), or even to maintain the voice of the electorate they represent within the political body.
Based on the info in the OP (I'm not well informed on the topic), Pellegrini appears to be critical of supporting continued funding to Ukraine. That's it. This doesn't necessarily mean that he is completely anti-NATO / anti-EU. He may even be anti-NATO expansion and believe that the push over the last 20 years to keep adding members has been a provocation of Russia... yet not be anti-NATO as NATO was before it continued its membership drive post USSR.
The cited RT article concludes with:
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He has indicated that Slovakia would remain aligned with the EU and NATO under his leadership, but the country must also take a more independent position on the global stage.
I don't see anything unreasonable that suggests Pellegrini should take his ball and go home, and renounce the EU or NATO. Is it not allowed to have a dissenting opinion within the EU / NATO without them punishing you financially? ... If so, doesn't seem very democratic.
And if you take the position that Pellegrini should pull Slovakia out of the EU & NATO over a disagreement on one topic, do you think American Democrats (and especially Progressives)-- who denounce the United States, The Constitution & Bill of Rights in various contexts-- should "leave" office? I undoubtedly miss many of your posts, but don't recall you saying members of The Squad should just step down.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:38 am to LegalEazyE
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Disagreeing on one issue/one conflict might not necessarily mean they disagree with the entire existence of NATO and its purpose.
He doesn’t understand anything except black or white either or thinking
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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Russia's actions have destabilized Europe and directly attacked the EU (Via their interference influencing the irrational decisions by the Russian-backed puppet in 2014 that started this whole mess).
The US destroying the pipeline destabilized Europe more than the Ukraine invasion. The US interfering in Ukraine did as well. A statist can never admit when his state screws up.
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The only threat for America is a large destabilization by the precedent set by Russia winning. That destabilized reality where invasion is essentially legal may disrupt global trade and cause major negative externalities across the world economy. The more rich and developed countries will feel these more than anyone else.
"Invasions will be legal if Russia wins!"
Being a drama queen disconnected from reality is no way to go through life. It's dumb to say that Russia's actions alone will destabilize the world but not the actions of others like the US.
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