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re: Another color revolution about to go down in Europe? Massive anti-Orban protest in Hungary
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The act that cause the civil uprising
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Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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Regardless, Ukraine was a historical trading partner, and allied with Russia forever.
And a better option emerged.
Russia's PCGDP is shite. Their GDP is shite. They have taken steps to internalize their economy and shrink it to protect themselves for potential international vulnerabilities (sanctions).
The EU is the #3 economy in the world. Opening up to the EU opens you up to the US and China (Especially if you develop your economy). Much better trading partners than shitty Russia.
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There is no comparison between Ukraine's economic situation under Yanukovych and the present clusterfrick.
Well no shite Russia invaded them twice
You're comparing apples to tennis shoes.
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That you can neither see, nor acknowledge that fact is frankly incredible.
The impact of Russia illegally invading them twice after thwarting EU integration?
I see it and acknowledge it.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:49 pm to WeeWee
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when he became the government’s whistleblower
When the US is promoting anti-corruption efforts in your country, they’re getting ready to overthrow your government.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:That's about the same time NATO integration talks had been underway. Likewise, that process still has not come to fruition. That is why.
Why? They had been working on it and taking steps for like 10 years or something prior to 2014.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Obviously not.
And a better option emerged.
You're a Monday morning QB still throwing pick-sixes.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:56 pm to NC_Tigah
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NATO integration talks
When did NATO start this? Link? I didn't think NATO offered until post invasion
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Which had to do with NATO, not the EU. I've patiently explained this to you at least a dozen times.
Well no shite Russia invaded them twice
Posted on 4/6/24 at 10:58 pm to WeeWee
I seriously doubt the CIA is the driving force behind the anti- Orban
movement. Hungarians had enough of pro-Russia strongmen. It’s amazing how you guys consistently
voice support for Russian interests.
and criticize your own country(don’t try that tired, lame argument that you’re just anti-deep state/ globalist. Thats become an overused meaningless trope.)
movement. Hungarians had enough of pro-Russia strongmen. It’s amazing how you guys consistently
voice support for Russian interests.
and criticize your own country(don’t try that tired, lame argument that you’re just anti-deep state/ globalist. Thats become an overused meaningless trope.)
Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Russia's PCGDP is shite. Their GDP is shite. They have taken steps to internalize their economy and shrink it to protect themselves for potential international vulnerabilities (sanctions).
GDP figures understate their wealth and what it’s like to live there.
It’s a nice place to live
The war is a good example of how useful and misleading GDP can be. With our GDP we should be drowning them in munitions, instead, their production dwarfs ours.
This post was edited on 4/6/24 at 11:08 pm
Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:05 pm to NC_Tigah
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Which had to do with NATO, not the EU
2014 had literally nothing to do with NATO
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I've patiently explained this to you at least a dozen times.
You've claimed it and the ignored reality about the situation, like above.
And relying on new conspiracy theories every time your argument is disproven...like the one you invented tonight about the CIA pushing EU integration, ignoring how popular it is among the population
Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:06 pm to VOR
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Hungarians had enough of pro-Russia strongmen
How brainwashed are you? Orban and Fidesz received about 54% of the vote in the 2022 Hungarian elections. You would think a strongman would have a higher percentage than that.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:13 pm to Geronimo
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Orban is one of the only world leaders I respect,
yup. he is the trump of eastern europe
bolsanaro was the trump of the tropics! need him back in power in brazil
Milei is the trump of southern SOUTH AMERICA aka argentina
the dude in el salvador is good also.
also prime minister meloni in italy. matteo salvini is a huge trump guy as deputy prime minister.
This post was edited on 4/6/24 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:17 pm to Fat Bastard
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Milei is the trump of southern SOUTH AMERICA
He's nothing like Trump
He believes in the free market. Milei would eliminate Social Security
Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:18 pm to Lima Whiskey
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With our GDP we should be drowning them in munitions, instead, their production dwarfs ours.
We don't fight wars like the early 20th century
We could win this war in a month if actually engaging was palatable. Russia can't deal with our air and naval superiority. THAT is how we fight wars.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:46 pm to VOR
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I seriously doubt the CIA is the driving force behind the anti- Orban movement.
Why?
Because the CIA doesn’t do color revolutions? Because the State Department is so pro-Orban?
What sort of logic can you muster up to support your typically fetid opinion? None. Just a wish and a prayer, like always.
Posted on 4/6/24 at 11:51 pm to SlowFlowPro
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We could win this war in a month if actually engaging was palatable. Russia can't deal with our air and naval superiority. THAT is how we fight wars.
Yeah man, just like Afghanistan. Like they couldn't handle our air and naval superiority either! We showed them for 20 years! Who runs Afghanistan today?
You sound like a retard. You certainly know nothing about war.
Over in a month LOL
This post was edited on 4/6/24 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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We could win this war in a month if actually engaging was palatable. Russia can't deal with our air and naval superiority. THAT is how we fight wars.
The war would almost immediately go nuclear, but we would have serious problems in a conventional fight with them. I don’t know that we win anything.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 6:52 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:2014 literally had little to do with anything but NATO. Nearly Putin's entire basis for walking into Crimea was NATO .... literally.
2014 had literally nothing to do with NATO
In 2014, with the annexation of Crimea a fait accompli, Putin aired a list of foreign policy (and NATO-related) grievances dating back to 2000. In his public address targeting history of relations with the west and NATO, he said "we were cheated again and again, with decisions being taken behind our back."
At that time, he publicly addressed the legal unevenness of the handling/resolution of Serbia-Kosovo and NATO intervention there. Essentially, he was citing international lawfare ... unique legal excuses applied to Kosovo which had never been applied elsewhere. Putin addressed the threat of eastward spread of NATO.
He said, "When the infrastructure of a military bloc is moving toward our borders, it causes concerns and questions. We need to take steps in response," in a televised national address.
"Our decision on Crimea was due to ... considerations that if we do nothing, then at some point, guided by the same principles, NATO will drag Ukraine in and they will say: 'It doesn't have anything to do with you."
"I do not want to be welcomed in Sevastopol by Nato sailors ..."
Vladimir Putin
March 2014
This post was edited on 4/7/24 at 6:57 am
Posted on 4/7/24 at 7:18 am to Tiger985
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Yeah man, just like Afghanistan.
Who is arguing that we could occupy Russia?
We won the "war" in Afghanistan (and Iraq), but nation building did not work. How is fighting against Russia in Ukraine comparable to nation building in Russia? You have to explain that one to me
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You sound like a retard. You certainly know nothing about war.
Says the genius who just made one of the worst comparisons I've seen on this board in 2024, and this board the past few years has been built on bad comparisons and whataboutism.
Posted on 4/7/24 at 7:22 am to NC_Tigah
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2014 literally had little to do with anything but NATO.
The latest progressive talking points try desperately to pretend NATO was a fringe reason.
This is why I never listen to progressives. They can lie and never feel a twinge of guilt.
We all know whats happening. Its a power struggle between us and Russia, NATO is our little henchmen.
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