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Oregon just re-criminalized drug possession and use
Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:27 am
Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:27 am
I, for one, am SHOCKED
This might be unpopular opinion, but so it turns out, doing whatever you want, isn't best for society. I'm convinced that self-control is necessary for society and I don't think de-criminalization of these hard drugs encourages it.
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Ovalle said a growing public perception of disorder also contributed to drug decriminalization's failure.
This might be unpopular opinion, but so it turns out, doing whatever you want, isn't best for society. I'm convinced that self-control is necessary for society and I don't think de-criminalization of these hard drugs encourages it.
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 8:28 am
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Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:31 am to tsmi136
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doing whatever you want, isn't best for society
Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:32 am to tsmi136
Now they just need to burn the homeless encampments to the ground and ship all of the druggie transients to a remote island
Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:38 am to tsmi136
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The Drug Enforcement Administration issued a warning in August 2022 that "rainbow fentanyl" had been ceased in 26 states.
Probably $750,000 worth of journalism degrees behind this article too.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:38 am to tsmi136
Tried and failed. Oregon took one for the team.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:44 am to tsmi136
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but so it turns out, doing whatever you want, isn't best for society.
Of course. We all need some sort of restrictions. Look at the US population and food whenever we eat whatever we want. 2/3 of population is obese and puts a strain on the health care system. Of course some OTer will bring up that this is not right and we need freedom to whatever we want. People in general have discipline of a 5 year old and imagine giving them magic buttons 24/7 . Yes, you need some freedom but you have to throw in some restrictions too make a functioning society.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:47 am to tsmi136
Good
Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:49 am to tsmi136
Seems like they fell into the bureaucratic red tape when trying to distribute funds for treatment facilities and the like.
That’s unfortunate. Utilizing their THC sales to create more facilities for treatment of a range of substances should be a given even re-criminalizing harder stuff.
Also unfortunate that we lose an opportunity to utilize Psilocybin for wider spread research if recriminalized. They were making good headway there.
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"Oregon took a long time to kind of figure out how to go about giving out that money," Ovalle said. "So, there was a lot of delays and actually getting the money out the door. In the meantime, a lot of the use of fentanyl was skyrocketing on the West Coast."
That’s unfortunate. Utilizing their THC sales to create more facilities for treatment of a range of substances should be a given even re-criminalizing harder stuff.
Also unfortunate that we lose an opportunity to utilize Psilocybin for wider spread research if recriminalized. They were making good headway there.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 8:52 am to tsmi136
the fact that hardcore libertarians/"legalize everything" types still exist after the past 5 or so years is hilarious
Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:06 am to tsmi136
What about for tPots
Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:08 am to tsmi136
Good. My cousin suffered from Reefer madness. It was a terrible ordeal for the family. He became the Reefer.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:12 am to tsmi136
If only we'd seen this coming.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:27 am to tsmi136
So is the goal to stop people from using illegal drugs? Because that's not going to happen.
Honestly, I think drugs like heroin, cocaine, and several others should be sold legally. Since people are going to do it no matter what, at least let sell them a product they know what they are getting.
I am just curious if privatized prisons have any part of this. They want as many prisoners as possible, that's how they make money. Im just thinking.. because its politics.. Things are usually done because someone is gaining from it.
Honestly, I think drugs like heroin, cocaine, and several others should be sold legally. Since people are going to do it no matter what, at least let sell them a product they know what they are getting.
I am just curious if privatized prisons have any part of this. They want as many prisoners as possible, that's how they make money. Im just thinking.. because its politics.. Things are usually done because someone is gaining from it.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 9:31 am to tsmi136
It is my opinion that the issue here wasn’t the lack of enforcement of drug prohibition but the lack of enforcing all of the other laws that vagrant druggies were committing like burglary, vandalism, trespassing, assault, battery, public urination, armed robbery, etc. If they actually enforced basic laws to keep violent vagrants off the streets, then the drug use wouldn’t be as big of an issue.
Think of it this way: imagine a car is speeding. A car that is going 20 mph over the speed limit may or may not actually be endangering other drivers. If they’re driving on an empty stretch of interstate in broad daylight while driving in a straight line, they’re driving safely. If they’re weaving in and out of traffic, changing lanes without signaling, tailgating, running stop signs and red lights, or overrunning their headlights so they can’t stop before seeing potential obstacles in front of them, they’re probably a much bigger danger.
Speeding is illegal in both contexts, but is it the actually dangerous behavior in and of itself? While drug use is not good for society, what is really bad is when people rob, assault, and destroy innocent people and property. If one can do drugs in a way that only harms themselves, I don’t see an issue with it. However, the second they start weaving between cars, changing lanes without signaling, tailgating, running stop signs/traffic signals, and overrunning their headlights, they need to be taken off the goddamn road.
Think of it this way: imagine a car is speeding. A car that is going 20 mph over the speed limit may or may not actually be endangering other drivers. If they’re driving on an empty stretch of interstate in broad daylight while driving in a straight line, they’re driving safely. If they’re weaving in and out of traffic, changing lanes without signaling, tailgating, running stop signs and red lights, or overrunning their headlights so they can’t stop before seeing potential obstacles in front of them, they’re probably a much bigger danger.
Speeding is illegal in both contexts, but is it the actually dangerous behavior in and of itself? While drug use is not good for society, what is really bad is when people rob, assault, and destroy innocent people and property. If one can do drugs in a way that only harms themselves, I don’t see an issue with it. However, the second they start weaving between cars, changing lanes without signaling, tailgating, running stop signs/traffic signals, and overrunning their headlights, they need to be taken off the goddamn road.
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 9:37 am
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:01 am to tsmi136
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Oregon just re-criminalized drug possession and use
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:03 am to tsmi136
Decriminalize; become more criminalized.
I guess someone discovered that when more junkies begin populating an area, the more crime seems to rise. Astonishing!!
I guess someone discovered that when more junkies begin populating an area, the more crime seems to rise. Astonishing!!
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:25 am to tsmi136
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Ovalle said a growing public perception of disorder also contributed to drug decriminalization's failure.
"You get these depictions, particularly in right-wing media of liberal cities run amok with shoplifting and drug use," he said. "Whether it's fair or not, that's the depiction Portland fell into."
In other words, it wasn’t the fact that encouraging drug use elevated crime and homelessness, it was just the right wing’s perception that caused decriminalization to fail.
What a jackass. I hope he gets robbed and stabbed by a drug addict.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:33 am to tsmi136
Washington State is going to be the last remaining poster child for incredibly failed "progressive" policies:
Defund the police still
Encouragement of open air drug markets
Encouragement and embracing of far left groups like Antifa
Policies that encourage homelessness, er...unhousedness
State mandated curricula to teach LGBTQ+ perspectives and experiences of historically marginalized groups
Abolishing advanced placement classes in public schools because you know, equity (it's only fair if everyone is dumb)
No bar exam requirement for attorneys (EQUITY!!)
on and on and on........
Defund the police still
Encouragement of open air drug markets
Encouragement and embracing of far left groups like Antifa
Policies that encourage homelessness, er...unhousedness
State mandated curricula to teach LGBTQ+ perspectives and experiences of historically marginalized groups
Abolishing advanced placement classes in public schools because you know, equity (it's only fair if everyone is dumb)
No bar exam requirement for attorneys (EQUITY!!)
on and on and on........
This post was edited on 4/5/24 at 10:34 am
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:48 am to tsmi136
This is a completely a-hole and likely unpopular take, but if they really want to end the problem, take away the Narcan. Darwin will sort em out.
Posted on 4/5/24 at 10:57 am to tsmi136
Decriminalization is just a shitty half measure, which keeps all of the bad parts of drugs but gets none of the good with legalization.
It’s worse than both full prohibition and full legalization.
It’s worse than both full prohibition and full legalization.
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