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re: Baltimore Bridge May Take 15 Years and $2 Billion to Rebuild
Posted on 4/1/24 at 10:26 am to dakarx
Posted on 4/1/24 at 10:26 am to dakarx
If the democrats truly believe in global warming and electric vehicles, They should not consider a car bridge as a long term need. It would be obsolete. Need to study if a rail bridge would be a more permanent solution
Posted on 4/1/24 at 10:32 am to djmed
Make it 4 Billion to unracist it.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 11:12 am to djmed
quote:Our country doesn’t work. This is an absolute failure on a fundamental basis.
15 Years
15 years?
Our system is objectively a failure.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:04 pm to djmed
15 years and 6 Billion dollars is my guess.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:05 pm to wareaglepete
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Should it really take 15 years? Looks like the Sunshine Skyway only took 4 or 5 years and it’s huge.
The Empire State Building took 1 year and they didn't have as much automatic machinery in 1930.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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and $2 Billion to Rebuild
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I bet the final cost is double that.
If it really goes 15 years, I’m gonna say triple, maybe even 4x that.
The longer this stuff drags out, the more “cost overruns” there will be, i.e., opportunities to steal.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:08 pm to djmed
Sure to be built with CCP steel.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:11 pm to djmed
Somebody could make a fortune if they started a ferry business.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:11 pm to TerryDawg03
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I know it’s not exactly the same, but the Ravenel Bridge in Charleston cost a fraction of that and took 17 months.
3 mile bridge in Pensacola was rebuilt as well and took about 2 years. Also dealt with massive damage from a Hurricane. I don't know the full cost especially after the Hurricane but certainly didn't take no 15 fking years lol.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:33 pm to TrueTiger
Apparently hazmat and explosive chemicals cannot be moved through a tunnel and they moved a fair amount of those things over that bridge. So a tunnel probably isn't the solution here.
The single point of failure on that bridge was the real tragedy. Makes you wonder how many other bridges are built similarly that have large vessels navigating around it. There isn't a cost effective measure that would stop a vessel weighing 95,000 tons (that's the dry weight) loaded with another 100,000 tons of weight on it while its moving 9 knots. As for this particular bridge, they need to build it to where if this happens again, only one section is impacted and not the whole bridge. As for other bridges with similar traffic, I'm guessing they'll have mandatory tug boats at least in escort while navigating around those bridges. Either way, shipping freight by ship is going up.
And yeah, $2B is the government price for a $500M bridge.
The single point of failure on that bridge was the real tragedy. Makes you wonder how many other bridges are built similarly that have large vessels navigating around it. There isn't a cost effective measure that would stop a vessel weighing 95,000 tons (that's the dry weight) loaded with another 100,000 tons of weight on it while its moving 9 knots. As for this particular bridge, they need to build it to where if this happens again, only one section is impacted and not the whole bridge. As for other bridges with similar traffic, I'm guessing they'll have mandatory tug boats at least in escort while navigating around those bridges. Either way, shipping freight by ship is going up.
And yeah, $2B is the government price for a $500M bridge.
This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:35 pm to djmed
quote:We used to be a serious country.
Baltimore Bridge May Take 15 Years and $2 Billion to Rebuild
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:57 pm to djmed
I heard this morning that it took 5 years to build it in '72.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:00 pm to djmed
Some southern state should expand their port which would take just a few years and make this bridge rebuild pointless.
The north spent about 100 years trying to systematically destroy the south economically. Payback is a bitch.
The north spent about 100 years trying to systematically destroy the south economically. Payback is a bitch.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:51 pm to djmed
quote:It only took 5 years and $60 million to build in the 1970s. What a bunch of retards we have become.
15 Years and $2 Billion
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:59 pm to djmed
C.W. Matthews out of Atlanta would build it back in eight weeks. Take a peek at how quickly they rebuilt the I-85 bridge in Atlanta when it was destroyed by a fire five years ago.
I-85 Bridge Collapse Atlanta GA
I-85 Bridge Collapse Atlanta GA
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:12 pm to dakarx
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Just wait until they unveil they announce the tolls.
The Key Bridge was already a toll facility.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:15 pm to djmed
The quote in question from the Baltimore Sun and was one engineer's opinion:
I think this gets expedited since unlike the Sunshine Skyway, there is no other Key Bridge span to take on the traffic.
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“We intend to receive some additional federal dollars very quickly to start that process and then we will come up with a design for the replacement of that bridge as quickly as possible to get the port back up and the community back up and running,” Wiedefeld said.
But even with promised federal money, there are many factors that need to be considered before construction of any bridge can begin, said Benjamin W. Schafer, a structural engineer who specializes in steel structures and is an engineering professor at the Johns Hopkins University. He named securing funding, deciding on a visual design, selecting materials and working out engineering queries as steps in the process.
In the case of the Key Bridge collapse, clearing the river of debris will also be an obstacle. All said and done, Schafer estimated a rebuild could take as long as a decade or more.
“The bridge originally, it seems like it was about five years from breaking ground to opening up. In 1980, when the Tampa [Bay] Sunshine Skyway bridge had a strike and was destroyed, and then rebuilt with a new cable-stayed bridge, that was seven years. I would consider those lower bounds,” he said. “I think we’re looking at seven-plus, I would guess 10 to 15 years before — I know that sounds crazy — but before we look back over and we see a bridge jumping over the harbor.”
I think this gets expedited since unlike the Sunshine Skyway, there is no other Key Bridge span to take on the traffic.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:18 pm to Swamp Angel
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C.W. Matthews out of Atlanta would build it back in eight weeks. Take a peek at how quickly they rebuilt the I-85 bridge in Atlanta when it was destroyed by a fire five years ago.
I-85 Bridge Collapse Atlanta GA
Yes, because a 200-foot section of I-85 is the same thing as a massive 1.6-mile long truss bridge.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:36 pm to Wally Sparks
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Yes, because a 200-foot section of I-85 is the same thing as a massive 1.6-mile long truss bridge.
That's why it'll take 'em eight weeks instead of the six it took to repair the bridge over I-85.
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:38 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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The single point of failure on that bridge was the real tragedy. Makes you wonder how many other bridges are built similarly that have large vessels navigating around it.
The vast majority of bridges over navigable channels are going to be continuous-span designs. They are preferable to simple span designs in that capacity because they are more economical, especially where vertical clearance under the bridge is paramount, along with a host of other pros. Their biggest con is they require a lot of analysis in the design phase. While it is possible for a continuous span to hold on with the loss of a pier the lateral loading was probably a big part of the span failure. Bridges tend to be very strong in certain ways and very flimsy in others.
It is unlikely that the Key will be replaced with another through truss design, almost certain to be a cable stay but it will also almost certainly be another continuous span design. It will almost certainly have extensive use of dolphins.
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