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re: Baltimore Bridge May Take 15 Years and $2 Billion to Rebuild

Posted on 4/1/24 at 10:26 am to
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
5967 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 10:26 am to
If the democrats truly believe in global warming and electric vehicles, They should not consider a car bridge as a long term need. It would be obsolete. Need to study if a rail bridge would be a more permanent solution
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
73607 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 10:32 am to
Make it 4 Billion to unracist it.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72223 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 11:12 am to
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15 Years
Our country doesn’t work. This is an absolute failure on a fundamental basis.

15 years?

Our system is objectively a failure.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48602 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:04 pm to
15 years and 6 Billion dollars is my guess.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112663 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:05 pm to
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Should it really take 15 years? Looks like the Sunshine Skyway only took 4 or 5 years and it’s huge.


The Empire State Building took 1 year and they didn't have as much automatic machinery in 1930.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
80139 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:08 pm to
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and $2 Billion to Rebuild

quote:

I bet the final cost is double that.


If it really goes 15 years, I’m gonna say triple, maybe even 4x that.

The longer this stuff drags out, the more “cost overruns” there will be, i.e., opportunities to steal.
Posted by TigerVespamon
Member since Dec 2010
6150 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:08 pm to
Sure to be built with CCP steel.
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18121 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:11 pm to
Somebody could make a fortune if they started a ferry business.
Posted by Prettyboy Floyd
Pensacola, Florida
Member since Dec 2013
15813 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:11 pm to
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I know it’s not exactly the same, but the Ravenel Bridge in Charleston cost a fraction of that and took 17 months.



3 mile bridge in Pensacola was rebuilt as well and took about 2 years. Also dealt with massive damage from a Hurricane. I don't know the full cost especially after the Hurricane but certainly didn't take no 15 fking years lol.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5360 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:33 pm to
Apparently hazmat and explosive chemicals cannot be moved through a tunnel and they moved a fair amount of those things over that bridge. So a tunnel probably isn't the solution here.

The single point of failure on that bridge was the real tragedy. Makes you wonder how many other bridges are built similarly that have large vessels navigating around it. There isn't a cost effective measure that would stop a vessel weighing 95,000 tons (that's the dry weight) loaded with another 100,000 tons of weight on it while its moving 9 knots. As for this particular bridge, they need to build it to where if this happens again, only one section is impacted and not the whole bridge. As for other bridges with similar traffic, I'm guessing they'll have mandatory tug boats at least in escort while navigating around those bridges. Either way, shipping freight by ship is going up.

And yeah, $2B is the government price for a $500M bridge.
This post was edited on 4/1/24 at 12:34 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57439 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:35 pm to
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Baltimore Bridge May Take 15 Years and $2 Billion to Rebuild
We used to be a serious country.
Posted by Von
Wichita Falls, TX
Member since Feb 2019
1947 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 12:57 pm to
I heard this morning that it took 5 years to build it in '72.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12958 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:00 pm to
Some southern state should expand their port which would take just a few years and make this bridge rebuild pointless.

The north spent about 100 years trying to systematically destroy the south economically. Payback is a bitch.
Posted by Topcat
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2005
453 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:51 pm to
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15 Years and $2 Billion
It only took 5 years and $60 million to build in the 1970s. What a bunch of retards we have become.
Posted by Swamp Angel
Georgia
Member since Jul 2004
7319 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 1:59 pm to
C.W. Matthews out of Atlanta would build it back in eight weeks. Take a peek at how quickly they rebuilt the I-85 bridge in Atlanta when it was destroyed by a fire five years ago.

I-85 Bridge Collapse Atlanta GA
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29284 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:12 pm to
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Just wait until they unveil they announce the tolls.


The Key Bridge was already a toll facility.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29284 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:15 pm to
The quote in question from the Baltimore Sun and was one engineer's opinion:

quote:

“We intend to receive some additional federal dollars very quickly to start that process and then we will come up with a design for the replacement of that bridge as quickly as possible to get the port back up and the community back up and running,” Wiedefeld said.

But even with promised federal money, there are many factors that need to be considered before construction of any bridge can begin, said Benjamin W. Schafer, a structural engineer who specializes in steel structures and is an engineering professor at the Johns Hopkins University. He named securing funding, deciding on a visual design, selecting materials and working out engineering queries as steps in the process.

In the case of the Key Bridge collapse, clearing the river of debris will also be an obstacle. All said and done, Schafer estimated a rebuild could take as long as a decade or more.

“The bridge originally, it seems like it was about five years from breaking ground to opening up. In 1980, when the Tampa [Bay] Sunshine Skyway bridge had a strike and was destroyed, and then rebuilt with a new cable-stayed bridge, that was seven years. I would consider those lower bounds,” he said. “I think we’re looking at seven-plus, I would guess 10 to 15 years before — I know that sounds crazy — but before we look back over and we see a bridge jumping over the harbor.”


I think this gets expedited since unlike the Sunshine Skyway, there is no other Key Bridge span to take on the traffic.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29284 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:18 pm to
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C.W. Matthews out of Atlanta would build it back in eight weeks. Take a peek at how quickly they rebuilt the I-85 bridge in Atlanta when it was destroyed by a fire five years ago.

I-85 Bridge Collapse Atlanta GA


Yes, because a 200-foot section of I-85 is the same thing as a massive 1.6-mile long truss bridge.
Posted by Swamp Angel
Georgia
Member since Jul 2004
7319 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:36 pm to
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Yes, because a 200-foot section of I-85 is the same thing as a massive 1.6-mile long truss bridge.


That's why it'll take 'em eight weeks instead of the six it took to repair the bridge over I-85.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25907 posts
Posted on 4/1/24 at 2:38 pm to
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The single point of failure on that bridge was the real tragedy. Makes you wonder how many other bridges are built similarly that have large vessels navigating around it.


The vast majority of bridges over navigable channels are going to be continuous-span designs. They are preferable to simple span designs in that capacity because they are more economical, especially where vertical clearance under the bridge is paramount, along with a host of other pros. Their biggest con is they require a lot of analysis in the design phase. While it is possible for a continuous span to hold on with the loss of a pier the lateral loading was probably a big part of the span failure. Bridges tend to be very strong in certain ways and very flimsy in others.

It is unlikely that the Key will be replaced with another through truss design, almost certain to be a cable stay but it will also almost certainly be another continuous span design. It will almost certainly have extensive use of dolphins.
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