re: If Brock Bowers or Rome Odunze are still on the board at 14, do you take one of them?

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Mcconkey.

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[quote]What are you talking about? What other TEs?

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I was mistaken, it was another poster. He had listed 4 other TEs saying they would out produce Bowers

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see Pitts, Fant, Ebron, Hockensen, OJ Howard).

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What do they mean with regards to Bowers’ and his talent?

It should make ya think twice when Bowers name routinely pops up with elite WRs. It’s not often the tape, stats/data, athletic testing all jive. It’s very hard to ignore for me

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As an 18-year-old true freshman, TE Brock Bowers averaged a team-high 58.8 YPG. That was ____ more than that of his following teammates:

1.7X that of WR Jermaine Burton (proj. R3)
2.0X that of WR Ladd McConkey (proj. R2)
2.1X that of WR Adonai Mitchell (proj. R1)

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Receiving Yards Before 21st Birthday
+ Top-45 players on @dpbrugler 's Big Board

1. Malik Nabers (3,003)
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2. Brock Bowers (2,538)
3. Troy Franklin (2,483)
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4. Rome Odunze (1,632)
5. Keon Coleman (1,506)
6. Marvin Harrison Jr. (1,402)
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7. Brian Thomas Jr. (1,257)
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8. Ladd McConkey (954)
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10. Roman Wilson (542)
11. Adonai Mitchell (495)

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2024 WR Class (plus Brock Bowers) by YPRR
+ Power 5-only, min. 175 routes

Age 18 Season

1. Brock Bowers (3.01)
2. Xavier Worthy (2.61)
3. Malik Nabers (1.95)
4. Brian Thomas Jr. (1.40)

Age 19 Season

1. Malik Nabers (2.44)
2. Brock Bowers (2.37)
3. Troy Franklin (2.34)
4. Keon Coleman (2.07)

Age 20 Season

1. Malik Nabers (3.64)
2. Troy Franklin (3.32)
3. Marvin Harrison Jr. (3.18)
4. Brock Bowers (2.65)

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Power Five YPT leaders on non-screen passes since 2015 (150+ tgts)

CeeDee Lamb: 14.3
DeVonta Smith: 14.0
Ja’Marr Chase: 13.5
Brock Bowers: 13.0
Jerry Jeudy: 12.7
Jermaine Burton: 12.6

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College prospects to average 7.5+ YAC/Reception, 60+ Rec YPG and a 70% catch rate throughout college since 2015 (min 170 rec)

Malachi Corley*
Brock Bowers*
DeVonta Smith
Rondale Moore
CeeDee Lamb
AJ Brown

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Historically, though, it's a bigger risk (see Pitts, Fant, Ebron, Hockensen

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Umm, Hockenson was the number one te in the league before he got hurt this year. May want to leave him out your argument.

I still think Pitts is being underutilized big time, along with horrible qb play. And he has a 1k yard season at least. OJ Howard should have never been a 1st round pick. He didn’t have the game tape, just the measurables.

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should make ya think twice when Bowers name routinely pops up with elite WRs. It’s not often the tape, stats/data, athletic testing all jive. It’s very hard to ignore for me

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Look, I get why people think Bowers is special, even if he is a bit undersized. I just think history tells us TE is more of a risk in the first round, and TE is less of a need for the Saints. First round OTs succeed more reliably and the position is a desperate need. Conveniently, most draft experts think there are at least four 1st round caliber OT talents in this year's draft. Heck, if we draft Bowers he'll have to stay in to block all season because our O -line will be shite. He feels like a luxury pick.

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honestly doesn’t matter. People can drool over Bowers all they want but even if he’s available they’re not drafting him. The fact we have people saying we can sign guys off the street to play OT and draft Bowers- tells you all you need to know. This team is desperate for a premier OT, DA has stressed openly about being strong on oline, they are investing in Carr and the way they treated Penning was very telling down the stretch. Its a premier OT even if they have to reach and they’ll be posters whining about Bowers being there and we just passed him.

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While I do think they draft ot, they could put a bandaid on tackle and draft bowers.

Grab a guy like Charles Leno, peat, or Donovan smith.

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Historically, though, it's a bigger risk (see Pitts, Fant, Ebron, Hockensen, OJ Howard). That's the last 4 TE taken before pick 20, their teams thought they were safer picks too. Not all horrible, but no stars there, and none of them elevated their team.

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Smith.

I agree that historically it's a bigger risk to take a tight end over a tackle.

Problem is Bowers isn't just any tight end. He is doing things that have never been done. He hasn't just done them for 1 year either. Bowers has been elite for 3 years straight.

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Hockensen was average to good for 4 years with Detroit, then blossomed with the Vikings. Definitely not worth pick 8 for the Lions, especially since that made him one of the highest paid tight ends in the league from day 1. This is pretty common with TE, taking a few years to reach their potential.

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Maybe he just wasn’t in the right system or had the right qb. I think the same thing will happen to Pitts eventually.

Just saying you can’t use him as an example when he was the freaking number one te in the league this year late in the season. You don’t think the Saints would take that production at 14?

Hock lit up our defense with Dobbs throwing it to him and that was also while Jefferson was out with an injury.

11 catches 134 yards and 1 TD

Sam LaPorta

9 catches 140 yards and 1 TD

I mean why not go after a position where you could possibly be getting the next best young TE?

Use to your advantage as to what got you beat previously.

Nothing against Juwan Johnson but he's not going to put a games like that consistently. The game he had in Tampa had 9 catches 80 yards and 1 TD. Which is nice but you'd like to see more yardage with that many catches? I don't know.

I'm cool with whatever they do because the Saints have a few needs at different positions. I'd lose my shite if they traded up and dealt away future picks though.