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Posted on 4/18/24 at 2:33 pm to
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/18/24 at 2:33 pm to
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You sound like alt26 complaining that players like Curtis Givins haven had the career that some Wade players did.


Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've NEVER said that

Falsehoods aside, here's my position on McMahon:

He did not inherit a good situation

On paper, the hire wasn't bad. He arguably had the best resume of all of the SEC coaches hired in that cycle except for Mike White who, himself, was largely an average major-conf. coach.

I thought he did a solid job rebuilding the roster in his first offseason. Particularly his HS recruiting given he had been on the school for such a short period of time and he likely had minimal prior relationships with top 100 players because he generally wasn't recruiting them at Murry St.

I thought with HS class, combined with what everyone who follows college basketball for a living felt was a decent transfer class, combined with a returning layer, he would have a solid first season. Not comparable to Wade's prior four years. Not even an NCAA Tournament team. But a team that would be competitive and, if all the cards fell right, could possibly find their way into NCAAT consideration. Those expectations weren't unreasonable because that was what many who cover college basketball thought.

Instead, once SEC play started he led the team to one of the worst SEC performances in the history of the program. One where LSU wasn't even competitive. There is quite a difference between taking a step back because of issues outside of his control and being absolutely horrible. He lost the benefit of the doubt that season because....

It has become commonplace for programs to lose a large portion of their roster in the midst of a coaching change. Yet, there have been multiple programs/coaches that have had far better success than a 2-16 conf record despite being forced to overhaul their roster.

This season LSU looked like the exact same team from last year until SEC play started. Then the team improved, culminating with the wins at USC and vs. Kentucky...before ending the season on a back slide. Finishing with a "postseason" game that fully displayed how much apathy is associated with the program now.

There is more reason to be optimistic for next year than there was going into last offseason. But that optimism is guarded (not just for LSU, but most teams) because at least half of the roster will be new.

Overall, I don't think McMahon has done a terrible job recruiting. Both from the HS ranks and transfers. It hasn't quite been comparable to teams like Kentucky, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee. But not awful. So I lean towards the issue being more in the coaching department. In other words, based upon what I've seen, I'm not convinced McMahon is a "good coach".

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I'm tuning out like most fans. Nor does it mean I hope McMahon fails. I WANT him to succeed. I WANT to say my opinion of his coaching ability was wrong because, believe it or not, my sense of self worth is not tied to favorable opinions on an anonymous message board forum. I just like the discussion. But until he actually produces noteworthy results on the court the skepticism will remain.


Posted by Tigershine
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2015
1181 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 4:57 pm to
Hey Alt, Skepticism is understandable even acceptable. Doing everything possible to subvert the program IS NOT ACCEAPTABLE. And what you need tounderstand that denigrating the abilities of the coach at every opportunity does in fact subvert the program? I'm not saying it's your job or anyone else's to recruit for McMahon, but when did it become your job to harm the program?

What I and I believe most others are saying is to let the process play out. As long as progress on the court is on display, I'm willing to be patient. Only infants and juveniles demand instant gratification.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 6:45 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35487 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 5:09 pm to
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've NEVER said that

You literally made a list of McMahon's recruits (including this year's class) and compared them to a list of Wade's recruits in his first 3 years and said that their college careers didn't match up. It was in the Vyctorius Miller thread. You got called out for it.

quote:

Overall, I don't think McMahon has done a terrible job recruiting. Both from the HS ranks and transfers. It hasn't quite been comparable to teams like Kentucky, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee. But not awful. So I lean towards the issue being more in the coaching department. In other words, based upon what I've seen, I'm not convinced McMahon is a "good coach".


This is where your logic falls off a cliff. Those teams had better recruiting classes for the last 2 years. But, MORE IMPORTANTLY, those teams started off with BETTER ROSTERS that were built up from years prior.

Now LSU was a .500 team this past year. That means that we jumped ahead of half of the league that were light years ahead of LSU just 24 months ago. Yet you guys are disappointed that LSU didn't leap past the top half of the league already? JFC.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 5:20 pm
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
7208 posts
Posted on 4/19/24 at 7:35 am to
You may have said some good things in that wall of text, but Holy shite--you must have nothing but time on your hands!
This post was edited on 4/19/24 at 7:36 am
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