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re: Any Trey Holly updates?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:09 pm to GeauxTime9
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:09 pm to GeauxTime9
So what happens if it turns out to be a false accusation? Does anyone go to jail for that?
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:13 pm to LSUStar
quote:This thread is kinda scary how little we know about what getting charged with attempted murder actually means
So what happens if it turns out to be a false accusation? Does anyone go to jail for that?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:16 pm to GeauxTime9
Thanks, I missed that. 
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:23 pm to LSBoosie
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You can certainly tell the two staff members seen in the picture that they shouldn't be publicly hanging out with him and posting it on social media though.
good point
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:27 pm to GeauxTime9
Innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:36 pm to lsupride87
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This thread is kinda scary how little we know about what getting charged with attempted murder actually means
innocent people are never charged?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 2:04 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:Of course they are
innocent people are never charged?
But they aren’t charged with attempted murder just so “they can sort everything out”
Posted on 3/4/24 at 3:15 pm to Topwater Trout
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how exactly would they go about telling players they can't be with a friend?
Is that what you think the photo op at Cane's with members of the staff is? ...just players hanging with a friend?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 4:08 pm to lsupride87
All they need to arrest and charge is probable cause. There doesn't have to be a lot of evidence present to have sufficient probable cause. A witness statement, a gun, a shell casing, a bullet hole, would possibly be enough. If TH left the scene, that would mean he didn't provide any explanation. If he remained silent (as he should), they'd go on the victim's statement, and the physical evidence to make the arrest. And that DOES NOT mean TH is guilty of any crime.
I am not in LA, but in my agency, we don't even charge attempted murder anymore. It's very difficult to prove. We charge agg assault, or wanton endangerment which are far easier to prove. In our jurisdiction, to prove criminal attempt-murder, you have to prove the suspect intended to cause death. Very difficult, even if its a shooting. To prove WE in my juris, you just have to show that the alleged perp should have known the actions could cause great bodily harm or death. AA would be- dude got shot, but didn't die. Don't have to prove intent, and it's still a class B felony, same as criminal attempt- murder.
And it is absolutely NOT uncommon at all for cops to overcharge initially. It's very common that charges like this get reduced, or dropped altogether for a variety of reasons. I wouldn't say "sort it all out" but I would say, in the fog of a shooting, initial witness statements are very often unreliable, and sometimes just plain wrong.
All that said, it is very possible that BK has inside information on the case. That's very normal. It doesn't mean BK is bending the case in his direction, but that he could very easily been given some insight into the investigation. This literally happens every day. It's not necessarily good policing, but it's not illegal.
I am not in LA, but in my agency, we don't even charge attempted murder anymore. It's very difficult to prove. We charge agg assault, or wanton endangerment which are far easier to prove. In our jurisdiction, to prove criminal attempt-murder, you have to prove the suspect intended to cause death. Very difficult, even if its a shooting. To prove WE in my juris, you just have to show that the alleged perp should have known the actions could cause great bodily harm or death. AA would be- dude got shot, but didn't die. Don't have to prove intent, and it's still a class B felony, same as criminal attempt- murder.
And it is absolutely NOT uncommon at all for cops to overcharge initially. It's very common that charges like this get reduced, or dropped altogether for a variety of reasons. I wouldn't say "sort it all out" but I would say, in the fog of a shooting, initial witness statements are very often unreliable, and sometimes just plain wrong.
All that said, it is very possible that BK has inside information on the case. That's very normal. It doesn't mean BK is bending the case in his direction, but that he could very easily been given some insight into the investigation. This literally happens every day. It's not necessarily good policing, but it's not illegal.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 4:20 pm to moneyg
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Is that what you think the photo op at Cane's with members of the staff is? ...just players hanging with a friend?
i didn't realize there were staff in the pic. i still don't know how you ban players or staff from seeing a suspended player off campus. Was Holly kicked out of his athletic housing also...that he lived in with other players?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 4:22 pm to Shovelhead
quote:I mean this is my point with people not understanding at all how this works. The cops aren’t charging him
And it is absolutely NOT uncommon at all for cops to overcharge initially
Posted on 3/4/24 at 5:02 pm to mmcgrath
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I doubt Cane's would have been ok with him there just days after the news broke.
Who is Cane’s? If Charles Manson walked into Canes right now they would take his order and serve him.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 5:17 pm to Topwater Trout
It’s an old picture guys. Was taken well before it was posted
Posted on 3/4/24 at 5:20 pm to GeauxTime9
Well, you’re innocent until proven guilty. It’s the way it is.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 5:51 pm to richbad
Cops arrest. DA charges. I don't know for sure but his arrest for attempted murder might not have even been run by the DA at the time.
And yes, often times cops will charge everyone within spitting distance to the "crime" knowing the DA can wheel and deal. If the least bit of probable cause, albeit in the shallow mind of some local yokul, they can and do arrest.
Say what you want it to be, I'm saying what happens from time to time.
I would imagine this will go to a grand jury and we'll see from there.
I was not defending or persecuting Holly, just stating what I've experienced.
And yes, often times cops will charge everyone within spitting distance to the "crime" knowing the DA can wheel and deal. If the least bit of probable cause, albeit in the shallow mind of some local yokul, they can and do arrest.
Say what you want it to be, I'm saying what happens from time to time.
I would imagine this will go to a grand jury and we'll see from there.
I was not defending or persecuting Holly, just stating what I've experienced.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 6:13 pm to SemiNoblePursuit
Doesn’t a trey Holly sell cars on 104.5 ESPN ?
Posted on 3/4/24 at 6:22 pm to GeauxTime9
Innocent
Posted on 3/4/24 at 6:28 pm to lsugradman
Well he did bond out Feb 17th, so I guess it is possible...
Posted on 3/4/24 at 6:37 pm to GeauxTime9
Innocent until proven guilty, I say.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 8:29 pm to LSBoosie
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That is the case for every person who pleads not guilty, even if they are actually guilty.
Most lawyers will tell guilty defendants to not make any statements to anyone no matter what and to go into hiding if they are out on bail. The lawyer may claim innocence, but they will handle and manage all communication on their behalf.
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