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re: Why are people so ignorant about their health?
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:18 pm to LouisianaLady
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:18 pm to LouisianaLady
Studies tend to get the results that the people who funded them created them for in first place.
Are we seriously acting like skinny people who eat a lot of terrible stuff aren’t around?
Are we seriously acting like skinny people who eat a lot of terrible stuff aren’t around?
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:32 pm to WaydownSouth
People will eat things they’d never consider feeding to a dog or a horse
They’ll eat processed food like Cheeto’s or ding dons but would yell at someone who fed that to a dog
They’ll eat processed food like Cheeto’s or ding dons but would yell at someone who fed that to a dog
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:35 pm to Undertow
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Studies tend to get the results that the people who funded them created them for in first place.
What studies? It's simple observation and arithmetic.
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Are we seriously acting like skinny people who eat a lot of terrible stuff aren’t around?
It's way more likely that you are overestimating how many calories they are consuming than we are underestimating their metabolic rates.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:35 pm to WaydownSouth
Weight is just one piece of the puzzle. Many assume since they are not obese they are "healthy"...
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:39 pm to Undertow
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Are we seriously acting like skinny people who eat a lot of terrible stuff aren’t around?
Please point to me where I said that.
I said they're consuming less calories for their height. Do you know what a calorie is?
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:42 pm to LouisianaLady
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Please point to me where I said that.
Well that’s what I’m saying and you’re disagreeing pretty vehemently.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:43 pm to Dragula
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Weight is just one piece of the puzzle. Many assume since they are not obese they are "healthy"...
Exactly
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:46 pm to Undertow
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Well that’s what I’m saying and you’re disagreeing pretty vehemently.
That is not what you're saying. You said you have a slow metabolism and your thin friends have fast ones. I said that is a myth.
You said thin people are unhealthy. I said that most unhealthy thin people are still healthier than all obese people. I reminded you that the vast majority of hospitalizations during COVID were obese people. The rest were mostly the elderly.
You said you barely eat and you're overweight, but thin people you know eat much more and much worse. Those were your exact words. They're still there hanging out in the post you made stating such.
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:47 pm to LouisianaLady
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People with obesity 96 percent more likely to have heart failure
Overall, during the follow-up period, several serious health conditions occurred. These were as follows: 61,546 cases of coronary heart disease, 54,705 cases of stroke and ministroke, 25,254 cases of heart failure, and 23,797 cases of peripheral vascular disease.
Statistically, this amounted to a much higher risk of adverse cardiovascular events among those deemed to have obesity.
Specifically, people with obesity considered to be healthy were 49 percent more likely to develop coronary heart disease, as well as 96 percent more likely to have heart failure.
Additionally, people with obesity had a 7 percent higher chance of having a stroke.
The lead author of the study, Dr. Rishi Caleyachetty, comments on the significance of the findings:
“The idea of being healthily obese is a myth. Our work shows that so-called ‘metabolically healthy’ obese individuals are still at higher risk of coronary heart disease, cerebrovascular disease, and heart failure than normal weight metabolically healthy individuals.The priority of health professionals regarding these patients should be to promote and facilitate weight loss, as it is with any other obese patient.”
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:48 pm to Salmon
6'2 185ish. not sickly looking whatsoever.
I would have to work very hard to get over ~215 without getting fat.
I don't fully understand why people get so wrapped up in the numbers though. take off your shirt in front of a mirror and if you don't see ribs and abs, you need to lose some weight.
I would have to work very hard to get over ~215 without getting fat.
I don't fully understand why people get so wrapped up in the numbers though. take off your shirt in front of a mirror and if you don't see ribs and abs, you need to lose some weight.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:48 pm to Dragula
Being overweight/obese is most of the puzzle, not just one piece unfortunately.
#1 indicator of present and future chronic disease by a long shot.
#1 indicator of present and future chronic disease by a long shot.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:53 pm to LouisianaLady
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That is not what you're saying. You said you have a slow metabolism and your thin friends have fast ones. I said that is a myth.
You said thin people are unhealthy. I said that most unhealthy thin people are still healthier than all obese people.
You said you barely eat and you're overweight, but thin people you know eat much more and much worse. Those were your exact words. They're still there hanging out in the post you made stating such.
That is what I’m saying, with some ancillary points. I never said thin people were unhealthy. I said they can be unhealthy as well, but since those aren’t fat they don’t realize how unhealthy they are. We’ll just have to agree to disagree on the varying metabolisms affecting weight part.
I don’t know why you’re bringing up the relationship between obesity and COVID deaths. I agree with you on that and never disputed it. It’s kind of besides the point considering I never said obesity is in any way shape or form healthy or a good thing.
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:59 pm to Undertow
You’re confusing habits with metabolism. And to be fair, you’re not necessarily off. Your habits (your natural day-to-day movements) are part of your metabolism. But the difference is in your actions versus some abstract thing that you were born with.
In the video series I referenced in older posts, a lot of the eye openers for the people who were thin and didn’t understand why they were had to do with their movement. I quoted the part about the lady who fidgeted a lot, but there were also people who walked a mile or two to work each day because they lived in an urban environment. Or there were people whose job had them on their feet for hours at a time during the day, compared to someone who just sits at a desk.
Those do factor into your metabolism, but it’s not a genetic “fast metabolism” type of thing. You aren’t born under unfortunate circumstances compared to your thin friends. You just have factors in your own life that cause you to either burn less or consume more.
That, or your friends have IBS and shite their food out before it even digests, but I feel like that’s unlikely.
In the video series I referenced in older posts, a lot of the eye openers for the people who were thin and didn’t understand why they were had to do with their movement. I quoted the part about the lady who fidgeted a lot, but there were also people who walked a mile or two to work each day because they lived in an urban environment. Or there were people whose job had them on their feet for hours at a time during the day, compared to someone who just sits at a desk.
Those do factor into your metabolism, but it’s not a genetic “fast metabolism” type of thing. You aren’t born under unfortunate circumstances compared to your thin friends. You just have factors in your own life that cause you to either burn less or consume more.
That, or your friends have IBS and shite their food out before it even digests, but I feel like that’s unlikely.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 3:59 pm to subotic
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This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 8:48 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 4:01 pm to LouisianaLady
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You’re confusing habits with metabolism
Not at all.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 4:02 pm to Dragula
Nobody in this thread has said thin people aren’t unhealthy as an absolute. Unhealthy thin people exist. That has nothing to do with the studied and proven fact that obesity is horrible for health.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 4:03 pm to LouisianaLady
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obesity is horrible for health.
Nobody has disputed this, either.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 4:04 pm to LouisianaLady
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That has nothing to do with the studied and proven fact that obesity is horrible for health.
I did not state otherwise.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 4:11 pm to JiminyCricket
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This x 100. I'm a pretty big guy at 6'3" 262 lbs. I work out 3-4 days a week lifting and train BJJ another 2-3. My waist is right around 32" but according to BMI, i'm obese.
To fall in the "normal" range for BMI, i'd have to weigh 175 lbs. I would look like a cancer patient at 175.
Dude, I am 6’2”, 175 lbs and wear a 32” waist jeans. There is no way you do too.
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 4:19 pm to Dragula
I'm sure you have treated non-obese people but the vast majority of lean people are healthier and at less risk of chronic disease than the obese.
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