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First time poster: Rock Yard DYI help requested

Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:55 pm
Posted by Kujo
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Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 11:55 pm
Bought a house in California where water & maintenance is more expensive.

Decided to go with a rock yard of only 1,300 sqft.

The bids I’ve been getting are $12-25K.

I figure I can do it myself by spending a faction of that on tools.

I got 20 tons of rocks in my future, is this something a married man with a 3 year old kid do by himself?

Has anyone here done it before? Steps are fairly simple right? Dig and level 3 inches of soil, barrier & chicken wire, outline with trim, dump rocks & spread, right?

For plants, invert a plastic flower pot, mulch and plant/seed.


Materials & tools $4,000.

Not seeing how labor is $8-21K for 40 hours of work.

But I’m smart enough to know I think I’m smart.

What am I missing?
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
8820 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 6:15 am to
Planning on doing that with hand tools, or renting machinery?
Posted by cgrand
HAMMOND
Member since Oct 2009
38904 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 7:39 am to
20 tons is about 30 yards of crushed aggregate, depending on the stone and size. Have you ever seen a 30 yard pile of crushed stone?

Garden rake and shovel ain’t gonna get it

At minimum you’ll want to rent a compact tractor with box blade
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 7:41 am
Posted by Tree_Fall
Member since Mar 2021
489 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:11 am to
Have it done professionally. Spend more time with wife and 3-year-old.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25759 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:24 am to
a rock yard? seems like an incredible waste of money and a future broken ankle.
You might as well just Brady Bunch it and put turf down if you don't feel like watering it and cutting it.
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
probably stuck in traffic
Member since May 2021
4572 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 9:33 am to
What exactly are you going for?

TBH if you look at some California yards, there are a lot of yards with colored mulch that don't look too bad for the climate.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Member since Jan 2023
7260 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 9:34 am to
It is a BITCH to maintain compared to grass. I know that is counterintuitive BUT weeds are going to drive you insane. RoundUp only kills them...they still look like hell, especially in a lawn. The only way to maintain them is to pull weeds. Landscaping fabric helps for a while but only for a couple of years. I had about 1000 square feet in our yard in New Mexico and Washington and I could get by with cutting grass a couple of times a month but I was pulling weeds in those damned rocks weekly and it always looked like it needed some attention. I have a bank in our yard now thats 8 feet high sloping down to nothing over 150 feet. Its about 70 degrees most of that distance. I have class 2 granite rip rap (about a foot in "diameter" on average) and a double layer of landscape fabric under it. The soil beneath the landscape fabric is comprised almost entirely of shale. There is almost no top soil or other organic material under the landscape fabric. The problem is that dust settles between the rocks, weed seeds blow in the wind and they need nearly no soil to germinate and flourish. I spend an inordinate amount of time and energy fricking with those weeds and they almost always look like crap. Fire will get them but it still looks bad. I'd think about it and talk to other people...maintaining a rock bed in good shape is a LOT of work. If leaves or pinestraw falls in them you can also plan on replacing them at least once a year. You won't have to buy them but blow the leaves or rake them and you are going to relocate every damn piece of gravel. And introduce the perfect environment for invasive weeds in the process.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7260 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 9:38 am to
1300 square feet of artificial turf is cheap. It is simple to install. Looks like crap in my opinion but it is very common in New Mexico and is pretty much the go to lawn in upscale neighborhoods. I suspect the maintenance, especially with trees around, is murder compared to a grass lawn, but I may be wrong.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30108 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 11:49 am to
quote:

Bought a house in California


when spending over a million dollars for a 2 br house with small tiny yard, the landscaping should already be done.

you should enjoy living with your commie friends
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64168 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 12:44 pm to
If you put down Roundup Extended Control, and put it down quarterly, you won't have any weed problems in the rocks. But that's a pretty large area to have to spray and not have it drift and kill your other plants or neighbor's plants.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:09 pm to
quote:

Not seeing how labor is $8-21K for 40 hours of work


Labor is the majority of the bill when it comes to landscaping. Rental equipment isn't cheap either.

If you're getting quoted 20k for a job, trust me, you dont want to do that by yourself with no experience.

Plus, didn't you just say on the OT you make like 250k a year? Pay someone to do it right imo
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7260 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

If you put down Roundup Extended Control, and put it down quarterly, you won't have any weed problems in the rocks. But that's a pretty large area to have to spray and not have it drift and kill your other plants or neighbor's plants.


I have taken to climbing up in them a couple of times a month and rounding them up closely and pulling them up. Does the extended control get rid of the dead plant also? The normal round up kills them graveyard dead but they are just dead and not green, still visible. Easier to pull than live ones though. It is a pain in the arse to climb up and pull weeds. Id do a proper retaining wall but the county insists on it being engineerd and I ain't paying someone to draw a picture of a retaining wall.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64168 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

I have taken to climbing up in them a couple of times a month and rounding them up closely and pulling them up. Does the extended control get rid of the dead plant also? The normal round up kills them graveyard dead but they are just dead and not green, still visible. Easier to pull than live ones though. It is a pain in the arse to climb up and pull weeds. Id do a proper retaining wall but the county insists on it being engineerd and I ain't paying someone to draw a picture of a retaining wall.


You're missing the point, AutisticDawg. The extended control formula of Roundup adds a pre-emergent, you don't just spray the plant, you spray the whole area (think fence line) and nothing can germinate there for about 3 months. It advertises 6 months but in reality it is about 3, in my experience.
Posted by Kujo
225-911-5736
Member since Dec 2015
6015 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:29 pm to
quote:

extended control formula of Roundup adds a pre-emergent, you don't just spray the plant, you spray the whole area (think fence line) and nothing can germinate there for about 3 months. It advertises 6 months but in reality it is about 3, in my experience


Yea, that’s the plan with weed control.

When we bought the house they had the entire yard as mulch. The mulch gets wet and clovers grow everywhere, fast.

I’ve sprayed the yard 4 times this first year and I just hate the way it looks. (Dead weeds you have to hand pluck) We also have gopher wire so it’s really impossible to rake.

I’ve driven around the neighborhood so I know that weeds still grow through the rocks but 3 to 4 times a year blasting the whole area with pre-emergent pellets or drenching the area should be easier to manage. I am also considering buying bags of sidewalk salt and dumping it all over.

it looks like I’ll just use two different contractors, one for the clearing and the other for installation.

BTW Jones, yes but I’m cheap and hate being ripped off. I also have a 100k bath & kitchen remodel while converting electrical from knob & tube to plan and I need to have everything permitted because the mayor lives next door.
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