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re: 2023 LSU WBB won Natty but lost nearly $8M

Posted on 1/29/24 at 6:25 pm to
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
8005 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 6:25 pm to
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I remember how Saban's reign at Bama turned a shithole in Tuscaloosa into a booming area. The city and especially the university itself got massive gains for a sport being elite. Out of state students are the ones that really impact your financials.

How many out of state students are deciding to go to LSU because on the WBB team?
Posted by Granola
Member since Jan 2024
511 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 6:32 pm to
Mulkeys impact is more on fundraising and a new PMAC.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11824 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 6:46 pm to
Only 2 programs at most schools turn a profit. LSU has 3 thanks to baseball but during the 90s, even with all the NCs we lost money
Posted by ScootiniTiger
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2007
2524 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 7:01 pm to
Right now I would rather money go to WBB than our Men's team. I don't forsee them winning g a title in my lifetime.
Posted by turnpiketiger
Southeast Texas
Member since May 2020
9542 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 7:07 pm to
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The program collected just under $2.5 million in revenues for the year but the team’s expenses were closer to $10.3 million.


Not surprised at all. The bling bling Mulkey wears isn’t cheap. Angel’s camaro with spinners isn’t cheap either.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7590 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 7:48 pm to
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Right now I would rather money go to WBB than our Men's team. I don't forsee them winning g a title in my lifetime.


Woody would need to do like he did for the women.
it will be expensive, but go out and get the best damn coach that would make the move.

for the women that happened to be the best in the country.
might not get that guy for the men, but get as close as you can to that guy.

Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
5737 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:22 pm to
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An audit of LSU’s athletic department found that the organization operated with a nearly $4 million deficit last year.


What basically were the excess transfers to institution for the 2023 fiscal year?

Definition is something like funds transferred to institution that are in excess of any direct support already received from the institution or govt to help fund the athletic program (if any direct support from university the transfers back to university first go into another line up to the amount of that direct support).

I thought it was a donation to school like in the past, but I don’t remember those putting department in a deficit for the fiscal year.

It was $5.2 million in 2023, but before this the department had a net positive of around $1.3 million.



Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
71357 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:30 pm to
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And the LSU athletic department as a whole made frick you money because of its TV deal. Losing $8m is not that big of a deal, especially considering what they are paying Kim.


Plus the championship run was great PR. We had an audience of 10 million for the final. So basically $7.8 million for a two-hour commercial. Plus the games leading up to it and the chatter afterward.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164337 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:33 pm to
I’m more interested in seeing how much waste LSU has. Start by cutting stupid shite like that woman they hired to hype up Tiger Stadium. A drop in the bucket but if LSU is dumb enough to spend money on that who knows what else they waste money on.

How much money does LSU get per year with the football TV contract?
Posted by The King
Shakedown Street
Member since Aug 2005
1580 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 9:39 pm to
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And the LSU athletic department as a whole made frick you money because of its TV deal. Losing $8m is not that big of a deal, especially considering what they are paying Kim.


What is your basis for saying this? The athletic department generates huge revenues, but I know from work done for LSU and other universities that LSU's athletic department (and most athletic departments) either lose money or make a very modest amount of money. We have made money in the past, but the returns are below market on the revenue invested.

It may be that successful athletic programs drive enrollment and donations to the general fund. So, I suppose what you say is possible in some indirect sense, but I don't know of anyone who has done the math on that. And it's certainly not the case that the athletic program is making a bunch of under-the-table money that we're not reporting.

Generally, schools spend the money because they want to win and raise the school's profile. They're not spending money on coaches and infrastructure because they're going to make a bunch of profit.
Posted by Tigerik
Franklin, TN
Member since Mar 2007
1648 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:07 pm to
You missed that 2023 was before we’d won a natty. Those #’s will change this year, but women’s bball will likely never be a total profit center and that’s cool. The notoriety and free publicity and PR they generate for the University is worth $10M easy.
Posted by TigerphanTigerman
Member since Jul 2019
271 posts
Posted on 1/29/24 at 10:54 pm to
Wasn't LSU basketball mentioned/interacted with a billion times on Twitter during the final last year? Hard to put a price on that for university exposure.
Posted by paulb52
Member since Dec 2019
3732 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:14 am to
Revenue if 2.5 million with coaches salaries of 4.4 million is a big dose of stupidity.
Posted by IsraelJones
Member since Dec 2023
132 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:45 am to
Consider the $8m to be Title IX defense investment.
Lower your likelihood of a Title IX lawsuit when you are losing millions on women’s basketball and sports.
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3276 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 2:15 pm to
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He quit because Jeff Landry was elected governor. Seriously


I knew he quit, but it probably won’t silence him. He will find a way to annoy people.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9524 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:07 am to
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as a state run institution, there is very little they can "not report"

It’s not so much that they don’t report it, but TAF has separate financial statements from the athletic department. TAF’s fiscal year is also different, making it harder to align the two on paper.

The only thing from TAF that gets reported by the LSU AD is money directly transferred from TAF to the university. This changes year-to-year based on needs - so if the university has a lot of projects/buyouts funded by TAF, the TAF “contributions” will be higher. But when TAF transfers to the university are lower, it doesn’t necessarily mean TAF is making less money. So the waters are muddy.
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only a handful of athletic departments in the entire country actually turn a profit.

A lot depends on how you choose to define “profit” in this context. Public universities don’t have true profits. So how do you define whether an AD is operating in the red or in the black?

In general, all major athletic departments are going to invest most (if not all) excess revenue back into the programs in the form of facilities, staff, or whatever. In general you would expect to have years with excess revenue balanced out by years with a loss.

To me the real metric is whether the AD receives funding from the university itself. In LSU’s case, we do not. In fact the AD had a $1.3M surplus before you factor in the $5.2M the AD transferred back to the university. Which is why I find it a little funny that folks are talking about the AD as a whole (not just WBB) “losing money.”
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
18756 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:16 am to
I wonder how much LSU football has lost since Les was fired and CEO had to replace an OC after one year, a DC after one and then Ed was fired...... and so forth.
Posted by Trailer Trash
Livingston Parish
Member since Feb 2006
477 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:24 am to
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SouthernInsanity



how many millions you think that was total? and how many went out in one year? that would greatly impact it
This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 8:36 am
Posted by paulb52
Member since Dec 2019
3732 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:57 am to
Coaches salaries and bonuses are lunacy; all sports except football and men’s basketball have to be subsidized to operate.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
4062 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 5:58 pm to
I love Kim Mulkey, but this is the story of women’s sports. They are basically irrelevant because of lack of interest (even from other women).
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