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re: Dune

Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:26 pm to
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In the movie they made it seem like he was twisting anything to be a sign that Paul was the Lisan Al-Gaib.




My biggest issues, are like you said, the treatment of Stilgar and Chani. I'd add to that how Jessica was setting everything up for Paul to drink the Water of Life, to make him into the Kwisatz Haderach.

But I think the portrayal of Chani was the one I liked the least. Instead of being a devoted wife to Muad'dib - dispatching people who come to challenge because she feels they aren't worth his time - she becomes an independent woman who don't need no man. Completely misses the point of Chani, her devotion to Paul, and how it ties into the ending of the book.

Jessica to Chani:

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Think on it, Chani: the princess will have the name, yet she'll live as less than a concubine - never to know a moment of tenderness from the man to whom she's bound. While we, Chani, we who carry the name of concubine - history will call us wives.


But Villeneuve is a huge feminist, and probably felt that Chani's portrayal in the book was a product of the times it was written in and had to be changed for a modern audience. Completely ignoring that the all woman group, the Bene Gesserit, are who truly run the empire.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 3/11/24 at 1:38 pm to
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But Villeneuve is a huge feminist, and probably felt that Chani's portrayal in the book was a product of the times it was written in and had to be changed for a modern audience. Completely ignoring that the all woman group, the Bene Gesserit, are who truly run the empire.


Agreed the other part that bothered me was breaking the Fremen into 2 factions. Souther fanatics and Northern realists. It is known through history (and modern times) that people who are oppressed to turn to religion and "skepticism" is a luxery of people who aren't fighting everyday to survive and escape their oppressors. It was like he was afraid to portray the Fremeb as they were written because that would be a poor stereotype of muslims and he needed to show them as free thinkers.

MFer. The muslims that are living in the conditions similar to the Fremen are radical and religious in the real world.
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