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re: The scary reality is we have no superstars
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:33 am to PelsRoe318
Posted on 1/20/24 at 1:33 am to PelsRoe318
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That'll be up to around 37 during postseason.
Will it?
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Posted on 1/20/24 at 2:05 am to Broski
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But that's the problem, neither of them have shown to be a leader or superstar in the entire time they've been here.
They have in spurts. Before Zion got hurt he was playing at a MVP level last year. Ingram has had spurts especially when we played the Suns in playoffs where he raised his game. The issue is they haven’t shown it consistently and they haven’t done it together. This weird BI and Zion pairing just doesn’t work- almost like we might be better trading one of them. Personally, it should be BI due to his upcoming contract but I don’t want to say too much because the BI fans will get all over my arse for even suggesting to trade him.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 2:14 am to whatiknowsofar
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How does this quote: All I said was crazier shite has happened Equal this quote: you think thats a reasonable thing that may happen Make it make sense
So your whole argument is based on hey we get to into playoffs you never know crazier shite has happened? Yes it has. Who cares. Thats not something dependable or that you can count on. But I guess you’re thinking crazier shite has happened we may make it to the conf finals?? Like what are you actually arguing here???
And you’re also basing the crazier shite off two teams who have a history of winning in the playoffs(Lakers/Heat).
Make it make sense!!!!
Posted on 1/20/24 at 2:24 am to PelsRoe318
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When teams have to commit to shutting down Zion in the playoffs, that's when our shooters and space will fully shine. Right now he's at 30 mins a game. That'll be up to around 37 during postseason. All we need to do is increase the 3pt shot attempts and that'll happen in the postseason when teams gameplan mostly around him. We have like 4-5 players shooting above 35 percent from 3. We'll be fine.
You’re making a lot of assumptions based on nothing. This pelicans team has never played with Zion in playoffs. We have no idea how many minutes he will play, how we use him, and how we’ll increase our 3pt attempts around him. The fact he’s playing only 30 min a game right now is absolutely stupid. Whoever is making that decision is a big reason why this team is not reaching its full potential.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 2:35 am to Pels_Yaz
Saving him for the playoffs and getting him conditioned. Duh, he hasn't played actual basketball for almost a full season since two years ago. You wouldn't want your best player getting hurt would you? This is exactly the team we wanted Griff to form. Surround Zion with 3pt shooters but this board is never satisfied with anything. Even when we have a winning record in the standings. Now how does that make sense?
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 2:38 am
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:14 am to PelsRoe318
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Saving him for the playoffs and getting him conditioned. Duh, he hasn't played actual basketball for almost a full season since two years ago. You wouldn't want your best player getting hurt would you? This is exactly the team we wanted Griff to form. Surround Zion with 3pt shooters but this board is never satisfied with anything. Even when we have a winning record in the standings. Now how does that make sense?
Again you’re making huge assumptions. You think Griffin has Zion on minutes restriction the whole season? Why? Ask yourself what NBA superstar is doing this?
So the standard for you after 5 years of Zion is him being on minutes restriction and the pelicans have winning record in the standings?? Yeah some of us expect more out of our highly paid superstar after 5 years. Sorry, but this board has higher expectations than you for this team. You would probably be satisfied just making the playoffs and losing in 6 games. Now how does that make sense???
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:35 am to CecilShortsHisPants
The east is and always will be weak. You can make it into the playoffs with a losing record
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:37 am to Pels_Yaz
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So your whole argument is based on hey we get to into playoffs you never know crazier shite has happened? Yes it has. Who cares.
Obviously you care enough to argue about it for multiple pages. You do this with every discussion on this board. It's always several pages of you going back and forth with posters who have solid points and you act so dismissive towards the subject of what you disagree with that you forget what we're even talking about.
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And you’re also basing the crazier shite off two teams who have a history of winning in the playoffs(Lakers/Heat).
I was just using last year's playoff teams as an example. The warriors pre steph beat the one seeded mavs. I'm sure I can go back and find other examples of improbable playoff runs, but I'm tired of arguing with you. You just don't get it.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:47 am to Pels_Yaz
If you come from the headspace of one has to be traded :
The issue with trading BI, especially if you are talking mid season , is he is our only “tough shot maker”. Teams need those in the playoffs when the game slows down and the floor shrinks. Unless we draw a great matchup , Zion’s game , especially at his current conditioning and effort level, is not built for the playoffs .
Bi has 10 game stretches at random points in the season when he’s the best player on the court but he can’t turn it on when needed all the time like the stars do.
I’ll concede BI contract scares me …a lot . I don’t think it scares me more than Zions lack of dependability , conditioning , and lack of improvement in 5 years.
I expect both to remain for the foreseeable future .
The issue with trading BI, especially if you are talking mid season , is he is our only “tough shot maker”. Teams need those in the playoffs when the game slows down and the floor shrinks. Unless we draw a great matchup , Zion’s game , especially at his current conditioning and effort level, is not built for the playoffs .
Bi has 10 game stretches at random points in the season when he’s the best player on the court but he can’t turn it on when needed all the time like the stars do.
I’ll concede BI contract scares me …a lot . I don’t think it scares me more than Zions lack of dependability , conditioning , and lack of improvement in 5 years.
I expect both to remain for the foreseeable future .
This post was edited on 1/20/24 at 7:49 am
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:49 am to whatiknowsofar
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Obviously you care enough to argue about it for multiple pages. You do this with every discussion on this board. It's always several pages of you going back and forth with posters who have solid points and you act so dismissive towards the subject of what you disagree with that you forget what we're even talking about.
You don’t have logical talking points and get irritated when it’s pointed out so your pissed that I’m having discussions on other boards that have nothing to do with you? I’m not the only poster disagrees with you by the way, so read the room.
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I was just using last year's playoff teams as an example. The warriors pre steph beat the one seeded mavs. I'm sure I can go back and find other examples of improbable playoff runs, but I'm tired of arguing with you. You just don't get it.
You mean the 2007 baron davis warriors? They upset the 1 seeded mavs, lost in second round to jazz and never made it back to playoffs again. You’re bringing in a random playoff upset from 17 years ago as an example of what could happen in the playoffs? Again your point is just get in the playoffs and you can be like some random playoff team 17 years ago? Yeah I don’t think many people get what you’re saying.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 7:51 am to AboveTheRim
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I’ll concede BI contract scares me …a lot . I don’t think it scares me more than Zions lack of dependability , conditioning , and lack of improvement in 5 years. I expect both to remain for the foreseeable future .
I don’t disagree with anything you said. What scares me is exactly what you stated above. We’re stuck with 2 guys we can’t depend on for the foreseeable future.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:01 am to Pels_Yaz
I think I’m just on the other side of the fence from you on the if one has to go which should it be .
Reality is , this is the place most teams end up. Reaching for the mountain top but can’t quite get there .
Reality is , this is the place most teams end up. Reaching for the mountain top but can’t quite get there .
Posted on 1/20/24 at 8:05 am to AboveTheRim
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Reality is , this is the place most teams end up. Reaching for the mountain top but can’t quite get there .
Oh for sure. But a good GM realizes this and pulls the plug to make the team better. Not resetting the whole team but finding other stars who fit to make it work. I just don’t see Griffin doing that though.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:33 am to Shaq4prez
The Suns were exceptional. shite happens. I also think we may need to replace Zion with a true superstar.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:40 am to VOR
Like who? I'd rather keep Zion and trade BI.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:43 am to ghost2most
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Like who? I'd rather keep Zion and trade BI
Idk who that is but griff needs to be ready when the next superstar is available. It’s clear as day that we don’t have a superstar and neither of these guys ever will be. Enough holding assets, time to spend them
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:50 am to Balsamic_duck
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Idk who that is but griff needs to be ready when the next superstar is available. It’s clear as day that we don’t have a superstar and neither of these guys ever will be. Enough holding assets, time to spend them
Superstars pick their destination in the NBA. The only option I see is to go all in on Zion and hope he can play up to his potential. He’s the only one on the roster who has a chance to become a superstar. I honestly think though that the Pels org has lower standards than fans. They’d be happy being a playoff team and never making it out of second round imo.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 9:54 am to Balsamic_duck
Most of the stars now are outside of NA. Wished our players had the European mindset. II believe Sengun can become a superstar compared to Zion. But I hope I’m wrong and he does take that next step.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:06 am to PelsRoe318
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Can we make the playoffs with this squad first before you melt
quote:Can we make the playoffs first before we talk about what we'll do in the playoffs?
That'll be up to around 37 during postseason
Posted on 1/20/24 at 10:07 am to higgsBoson
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perstars pick their destination in the NBA. The only option I see is to go all in on Zion and hope he can play up to his potential. He’s the only one on the roster who has a chance to become a superstar. I honestly think though that the Pels org has lower standards than fans. They’d be happy being a playoff team and never making it out of second round imo.
I agree that Zion is our best shot but I just highly doubt he becomes a superstar. I mean he hasn’t improved anything in 5 years, so if he’s going to become one he better start working on his game
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