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re: BR paper reported “Kelly used a decentralized approach for handling special teams
Posted on 1/19/24 at 2:53 pm to Birdie225
Posted on 1/19/24 at 2:53 pm to Birdie225
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We haven’t had a return game since DJ Chark. We desperately need better blocking and a threat to return.
Return game is severely overrated if you have a competent offense. Just catch the ball and let the offense score.
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Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:02 pm to LSBoosie
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BK hasn’t had good special units in either of his years so far.
Agreed. Feels like we need a dedicated person. There has to be a former Power 5 or NFL special teams coach floating around that could lead this effort. Seems like to compete for a championship we need better special teams play.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:06 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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Is tour kid consistently nailing 55-57 yards kicks? And is he doing it in actual games?
Yes, no.
He’ll get to play in the SEC…and guaranteed they’re expecting him to be good through that range.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:18 pm to mdomingue
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So 8 total kickoff returns in LSU history based on this
This is missing the 1995 Independence Bowl...
Eddie Kennison had a KOR for a TD in the bowl game. I witnessed that in person... and Faulk almost had a 2nd in the same game.
our SID has a bad habit of missing some of these kinds of finer details.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:19 pm to r0cky1
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Did you not watch any games? We did not do well at all covering kick offs and we only fair caught punts. Y’all forget how much momentum a good return gives the offense
1. I never said the special teams were good. I said they didn’t cost us any games.
2. With our offense that could score from anywhere in the field and our defense who couldn’t stop anything, fair catching every punt was the smart strategy. No reason to risk a turnover and put the defense back on the field after forcing a rare punt.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:24 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
Eddie Kennison's KOR vs Michigan State in the 1995 Independence Bowl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6eTSLHzZU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6eTSLHzZU8
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:33 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
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Eddie Kennison's
That man was fast
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:44 pm to Birdie225
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better blocking
Comes with better special teams depth
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threat to return
This ain't gonna problem. ZT has shown he is dynamic- in the SEC
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:45 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
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This is missing the 1995 Independence Bowl...
Eddie Kennison had a KOR for a TD in the bowl game. I witnessed that in person... and Faulk almost had a 2nd in the same game.
our SID has a bad habit of missing some of these kinds of finer details.
I added it. Thank you. Anyone else got one, keep it coming
Posted on 1/19/24 at 3:52 pm to JR
I don't like Kelly's approach. Why do we need two DL and two DB coaches. I would much rather a dedicated ST coach.
Same Here
Same Here
Posted on 1/19/24 at 6:14 pm to Penrod
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Kelly was wise. He realized that special teams were not that important anymore.
Was that his opinion after Fla St or after the Tennessee game in 22.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:18 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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1. I never said the special teams were good. I said they didn’t cost us any games. 2. With our offense that could score from anywhere in the field and our defense who couldn’t stop anything, fair catching every punt was the smart strategy. No reason to risk a turnover and put the defense back on the field after forcing a rare punt.
I never said it cost us games either did I?
Yeah we won’t have that same offense next buddy
Posted on 1/19/24 at 7:54 pm to r0cky1
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Yeah we won’t have that same offense next buddy
We won’t?!?!?!?! Holy shite are you serious. Has anyone told the coaches.
Maybe you need to be on staff with this revelation
Posted on 1/19/24 at 8:00 pm to Pikes Peak Tiger
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We won’t?!?!?!?! Holy shite are you serious. Has anyone told the coaches. Maybe you need to be on staff with this revelation
You have a small brain don’t you? Say we don’t need good special teams because how good our offense is and then try and be smart arse. It’s okay you’re dumb
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:37 pm to Gaston
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Special teams did not cost us a single game in 2023.
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I can’t remember the Ole Miss game completely, but I think if you had 55-57 yard range on FGs we might have picked up more points. Maybe not though.
I’m just over here imagining the meltdown on tRant if we had attempted a 57 yard field goal in that game, while OM scored at will.
Regardless, though, let’s assume you’re right. Does anyone really think a dedicated special teams coordinator is the difference in our FG range in that scenario?
For everyone convinced LSU needs a “dedicated” special teams coordinator, look around the league. The following are all from 2023, as 2024 staffs haven’t all been completely filled:
Arkansas - Scott Fountain was AHC/STC. Has a history of holding “director of player personnel” and recruiting coordinator positions in the SEC. Recruiter.
Auburn - Didn’t have a coach with “special teams” in their job title.
Alabama - Coleman Hutzler was STC and OLB coach. Has coached linebackers at just about every stop in his career.
Florida - Didn’t have a coach with “special teams” in their job title.
Georgia - Didn’t have a coach with “special teams” in their job title.
Kentucky - Jay Boulware was STC and RB coach. Has a history of being TE coach and/or RB coach with STC duties.
Mississippi State - Eric Mele was dedicated STC. Prior to that, he was State’s RB coach. Has historically bounced between RB coach and STC at other stops.
Missouri - Eric Link was STC and TE coach. Link has mostly been a special teams coach throughout his career.
Ole Miss - Jake Schoonover was dedicated STC. Has historically coached OLBs, safeties, and special teams.
South Carolina - Pete Lembo was AHC and STC. Experienced guy with several years as AHC/STC. Was a HC before that.
Tennessee - Mike Ekeler was STC / OLB coach. Has been a LB coach for most of his career with special teams mixed in.
Texas A&M - Didn’t have a coach with “special teams” in their job title.
Vanderbilt - Jeff LePak was STC and TE coach. Limited experience. Was an offensive analyst at Syracuse before being hired by Vandy in 2021 in a quality control role.
Only 2 SEC schools had dedicated special teams coordinators last year. One of them fired their coach before the season was over. There were more SEC without an on-field special teams coach than there were with dedicated STCs. It’s a luxury that comes with a cost, which is why you normally see them pulling double-duty as a position coach, recruiting coordinator, etc.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 9:53 pm to r0cky1
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You have a small brain don’t you? Say we don’t need good special teams because how good our offense is and then try and be smart arse. It’s okay you’re dumb
You are a god damn idiot. I never said we don’t need good special teams. What I said was special teams did not hurt us this year and the fair catch strategy on punt returns made sense THIS YEAR because of how good the offense is and how bad the defense is.
But reading comprehension is obviously too much for a dipshit like you.
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:13 pm to lostinbr
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Does anyone really think a dedicated special teams coordinator is the difference in our FG range in that scenario?
Maybe. I don’t care what you call them…just someone who can run camps and pick the best kids. There should be a nation wide competition to be LSU’s kicker.
This post was edited on 1/19/24 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:17 pm to Yeti_Chaser
Special teams was fine this year. Much improved from 2022.
Idk why yall saying it’s been bad for 2 years. That’s completely false.
FG kicking was above avg.
punt return was fine. We had number 1 offense. No reason to have a PR even back there. Relax. Kelly has this
Idk why yall saying it’s been bad for 2 years. That’s completely false.
FG kicking was above avg.
punt return was fine. We had number 1 offense. No reason to have a PR even back there. Relax. Kelly has this
Posted on 1/19/24 at 10:30 pm to Gaston
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Maybe. I don’t care what you call them…just someone who can run camps and pick the best kids. There should be a nation wide competition to be LSU’s kicker.
The person you’re referring to does not need to be an on-field coach.
Posted on 1/20/24 at 2:21 am to Pikes Peak Tiger
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You are a god damn idiot. I never said we don’t need good special teams. What I said was special teams did not hurt us this year and the fair catch strategy on punt returns made sense THIS YEAR because of how good the offense is and how bad the defense is. But reading comprehension is obviously too much for a dipshit like you.
Yeah you’re even dumber than I thought. We got bailed out by having an elite offense. Our special teams is still shite and going to be next year while offense will most likely regress. This is why we need to be elite on special teams. Keep trying bud. Maybe get some better insults as well
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