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re: Let's unpack the NIL problem shall we?

Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:54 pm to
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10449 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:54 pm to
I refer you to Plessy v Ferguson and Roe v Wade. There are many more.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53777 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:57 pm to
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That is exactly what it was intended to be


No, the argument was, we the players are the product that people come to see play, lot of money being paid to everyone but us

Tell us why we can't get a piece of the pie?

SCOTUS- says okay that makes sense, since you're an American citizen with rights, as a student, we will allow you to earn money from yoru independent Name, Image and Likeness/


No where in any of that conversation was it blessing "Okay Boosters, now you can just pay them to attend your school"
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17329 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 12:58 pm to
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Do you think the NCAA is afraid to step in and upset the money train because 80% of the players are black?


The part that keeps going over your head is it doesn’t matter what the NCAA wants. They’re afraid to get sued for a boatload of money and lose again, but that really has no bearing on the current state.

The NCAA fought this tooth and nail for 20 years, took it all the way to the Supreme Court, who then ruled against them. You seem to be laboring under the delusion that the NCAA has any power to do anything, and simultaneously attributing anything you don’t like to “wokeness” or blacks or some shite.
Posted by Curtis Lowe
Member since Dec 2019
1284 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:00 pm to
1. Re-institution of the sitting out a year for transfers, except grad transfer, is a good start.

2. Prohibit collectives and the like, let NIL be what its true intent was.

3. Set an universal amount that schools pay each athlete for its usage of the athletes name, image and likeness.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 5:38 pm
Posted by liquid rabbit
Boxtard BPB®© emeritus
Member since Mar 2006
60377 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:02 pm to
Make them earn a weekly paycheck, just like the rest of us schlubs. Taxes are withheld and they get to see just how much the government is screwing them. If they don't show up for work, dock their pay.

They want to earn a living? Fine. There are consequences.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112361 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:04 pm to
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It was reported yesterday, over 25 Alabama players wanted to re-negotiate their NIL deals right after the Michigan loss and were not real remorseful from the loss.


I fail to see the problem you claim to be describing
Posted by deathvalleytiger10
Member since Sep 2009
7609 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:05 pm to
Watch what happens in BR this year and how those that were major NIL players start having fewer players represent them.

Why? Many of these players are not honoring the commitments they made when they signed the NIL deal. They have the mentality that they are getting paid to just play ball.

NIL sponsors are getting tired of the BS.
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
Member since Oct 2005
132521 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:07 pm to
I have a.bugger issue with the transfer portal without having to sit out
Posted by Tigertown2020
Member since Mar 2023
53 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:28 pm to
How many of you complained when players were getting no money. there is money everywhere in college football so much so that Texas will pay $100 million to join the SEC and conferences are realigning for more money. Coaches jumping ship for more money. How dare Bama complain about payers asking for more money when they were reportedly will to pay $20 million buyout with no problem to get Lanning.
Posted by HC87
Coastal NC
Member since Dec 2014
4566 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:29 pm to
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Sounds good....won't work.

If I'm a wealthy business owner who loves LSU and wants to pay the star QB $2.0M...if he chooses to play for LSU...an outside entity, SEC, NCAA, LSU, etc can't prohibit that. It's an anti-trust violation. The player "owns" his NIL. And he can sell/lease it for any amount.

The only way it could possible work is if the player agreed to assign his NIL rights to the school. But what player would do that when he could make significantly more on the free market?


I get it, you would have to start over and not call it NIL. I know highly unlikely, but I dont see the current construct sustainable beyond the next 2-5 yrs, if that.

I think more HCs, especially when they get into their late 50s/60s, bailing & saying enough of this BS. The current environment has to be incredibly onerous and more time consuming than ever before.

Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9320 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:36 pm to
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Sounds good....won't work.

If I'm a wealthy business owner who loves LSU and wants to pay the star QB $2.0M...if he chooses to play for LSU...an outside entity, SEC, NCAA, LSU, etc can't prohibit that. It's an anti-trust violation. The player "owns" his NIL. And he can sell/lease it for any amount.


So salary caps are anti trust violations?
Posted by West Bank Dan
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2010
735 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:49 pm to
There are so many ways this can go it makes your head spin. A participant in any spectator sport is an entertainer who directly or indirectly brings revenues to the university and can thus be considered employees deserving of compensation. Even the 4th stringers on the sideline are part of the show attracting the 90k ticket-buying fans in the stands so paying every player a base salary does make sense. Previously, the scholarships to attend classes, get free tutors and earn degrees were considered adequate compensation. Not any more - the market has changed.

A philosophy major can transfer with their credits to another school whenever they want - it is a free country. However, they are not employees of the school. Any pro entertainment sports league with employees is governed by rules, often to promote parity to sustain as much broad consumer interest as possible and maximize revenues. This is a business strategy, not a “woke equity play”.

As of now, the NCAA does have jurisdiction to set rules on transfers, caps on benefits provided by the schools, etc. However, NIL is no different than the endorsement money Eli Manning gets for being photographed wearing a particular wristwatch. That is free game capitalism governed by the ability to connect willing buyers with willing sellers.

I personally think NIL collectives aren’t really different than boosters contributing to an athletic department who installs sleeping pods in a locker room to entice future recruits to come entertain that school’s fans and make more money.

To sum up: I can envision the NCAA clamping down on portal movement once it starts eroding fan interest and tv ratings dip ~20%. I can see them allow and encourage extra school-provided benefits (regulated cash base salaries) for kids that sign 3-year contracts (non-transfer scholarships) with 4th and 5th year options to transfer. I can see schools adopting rules that say once you enter the portal there is no stepping back out of it - no soliciting higher pay each and every year like the Bama players are doing.

I can also see the top ~50 schools split off and make an independent “free agent league” completely outside any NCAA structure.

Bottom line: Once they allow for the complete elimination of the real or imagined bond of similar school spirit and loyalty, I will stop watching. They are killing their own golden goose…
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28462 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 1:53 pm to
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So salary caps are anti trust violations?


If unilaterally imposed, yes. The NFL is a monopoly.

However, they get around that because the employer/owners (NFL) collectively bargain with the employees/players union for the the terms of employment. Both the owners and players' union have voluntarily agreed to a salary cap. Thus, it's not an anti-trust violation.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 1:54 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
47979 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:01 pm to
People are missing the purpose of NIL. It’s a doorway to separate the players from the programs taking away the conferences bargaining leverage with the networks. Once corporate has control of the players they can dictate anything they want in the sport. That’s where this thing is headed.
This post was edited on 1/11/24 at 2:03 pm
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28462 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:02 pm to
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I can envision the NCAA clamping down on portal movement once it starts eroding fan interest and tv ratings dip ~20%


They tired with the 2x transfer restrictions. It was litigated and (temporarily) over-ruled. The NCAA chose to abstain from enforcing the restriction for (at least) the remainder of the 23-24 school calendar. Likely for good.

I think the toothpaste is out of the tube on the transfer penalties and won't be put back in.

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I can see them allow and encourage extra school-provided benefits (regulated cash base salaries) for kids that sign 3-year contracts (non-transfer scholarships) with 4th and 5th year options to transfer.


Title IX would be a HUGE impediment to that. Football and men's basketball are the only players who generate a profit. However, the school is not going to be able to pay the starting QB more than the worst female player on the cross-country team. Potential football players would litigate the restriction because NIL pays them more of a market value and they won't want to be locked into a school "contract"

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I can also see the top ~50 schools split off and make an independent “free agent league” completely outside any NCAA structure.


That's going to eventually happen. The problem is Title IX will still be in effect as long as the league is still affiliated with colleges/universities. The football team will still be the biggest profit generator...but if the school is paying players, the female athletes will have to be paid the same.
Posted by Towelie
America's Wang
Member since Aug 2007
19120 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:24 pm to
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It was reported yesterday, over 25 Alabama players wanted to re-negotiate their NIL deals


Can you link the article please?
Posted by West Bank Dan
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2010
735 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:26 pm to
All of your points are spot-on and more informed than my musings. How about I also throw out: independent LLCs will be formed where a school licenses THEIR school colors, symbols and names to entertainment holding companies that organize their own league(s). Kind of NIL for schools. All of which to circumvent Title IX requirements…

Not that I support this. I point at the USFL which tried to get me to watch “The New Orleans Breakers” who played in Alabama and, to my knowledge, had zero actual ties to the city of New Orleans. At least an independent “LSU Tigers” football team would play in Tiger Stadium….

This isn’t as far-fetched (stupid) as it sounds if they don’t step in and put some governors on this to maintain quality of the product.
Posted by Bumble Bee
Northwest, La
Member since Jan 2011
753 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:28 pm to
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They tired with the 2x transfer restrictions. It was litigated and (temporarily) over-ruled. The NCAA chose to abstain from enforcing the restriction for (at least) the remainder of the 23-24 school calendar. Likely for good.

I think the toothpaste is out of the tube on the transfer penalties and won't be put back in.


You would think at some point, a private organization has to be able to implement their own rules and regulations. The Universities Play under the NCAA. These are the transfer rules if you agree to if you sign said scholarship. (Maybe Scholarships need to be from the NCAA and not each school) No one is forcing these kids to sign the scholarship and play under these rules. They can look for other avenues.
Posted by Suntiger
BR or somewhere else
Member since Feb 2007
32986 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:33 pm to
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What simple change will correct course?


Here is the simple fix. Congress passes a law that say,

1) Student athletes are students and cannot accept payment for play in any form or fashion. Violating this rule will be dealt with harshly by the NCAA.
2) 5% of all revenue received by schools for athletics goes to the NCAA for oversight of rule 1.
3) Coaches salaries are capped at the higher of .5% of revenue received by the athletic program the prior FY or a cap for all coaches set by the NCAA.
4) 45% of all revenue generated by an athletic department must be transferred to the academic department of the university. The remaining proceeds can be used only for travel and facilities.

Basically college athletics gets a reset and goes back to being college athletics. Kids who want to play for pay can leave high school and go to the XFL.
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
8099 posts
Posted on 1/11/24 at 2:44 pm to
Exactly!!!! That was the point of it until boosters with money started figuring a way to pay players to come to their school instead of the player making some money while in school. Autograph signings, tshirts, posters etc…
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