re: 2024 Formula 1 season Thread

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If the Red Bull drama causes Max not to win every race by 30sec , I hope it blows up and makes it more competitive from 1-5 and not the 2-5 we have now.

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Jos is a known piece of shite.

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?? | Jos Verstappen is understood to have told friends his son will move from Red Bull if Christian Horner stays at Red Bull. Horner has repeatedly stated that he is determined to remain team principal. #F1

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Then how do you interpret him saying "The team is in danger of being torn apart. It can't go on the way it is. It will explode. He is playing the victim, when he is the one causing the problems."

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There have been wild rumours that Verstappen Sr. has been involved in the behind-the-scenes powerplay that is trying to get Horner out of his Red Bull role. But this is something he has denied. “That wouldn't make sense,” he said. “Why would I do that when Max is doing so well here?”

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There have been wild rumours that Verstappen Sr. has been involved in the behind-the-scenes powerplay that is trying to get Horner out of his Red Bull role. But this is something he has denied. “That wouldn't make sense,” he said. “Why would I do that when Max is doing so well here?”

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Interesting stuff from Christian Nimmervoll (who I stress again is pretty close to Marko)

- apparently Marko has not been amused about certain things Horner achieved (e.g. gaining Bernie's influence, being able to connect his contract with Newey)
- however, things used to be different. A few years ago there were internal rumours that Horner behaved unethitically (to avoid something to get lost in translation: he says "not behaved cleanly") when they made a sponsor deal with Geox, Mateschitz wanted to fire him, but Marko saved his job
- Mateschitz was already on the death bed in the summer of 2022. He, Marko and Porsche were trying to make a deal happen at the time, however it was Horner who ended up preventing the deal long before Marko/Mateschitz realized themselves that Porsche doesnt fit to RB, with this Horner gained the trust of the Thai owners. Horner was also very quick to realize how things were going to change at RB after Mateschitz dies (his son wasnt going to inherit the right to make all decisions etc.)
- since Chaleo Yoovidhya's death in 2012 it seems that the values for the Thai part of Red Bull has changed, which is probably why they dont see any issue with Horner's behavior
- The Austrian side however did realize that in the post-metoo age this story is very problematic and wanted to ensure full transparency. Many at Red Bull believe that the "independend investigation" wasnt as independend as claimed.
- Apparently Horner tried to gain control over both Red Bull and (now) Racing Bulls in 2023 and that he saw no use for Marko in this new scenario. People he wanted to hire for this coup have confirmed this.
- However Red Bull Austria backed Marko and extended his contract, Horner had to step back from his intenions
- one thing Horner never considered is that he didnt just made friends but also enemies. Jos never got over it that Horner didnt wanted to promote Max back in 2016, it was Marko that pushed it through. And this is why the Verstappens are completely loyal to Marko. So much that Max would probably leave if they ditch Marko.
- It also seems like Newey is no longer on his side. It's mentioned that he testified during the investigation of Horner's case.
- basically he is in the middle of the power struggle between both sides, and his mistake was convenient
- When the allegations became public Horner was kicked out of the house by Geri. She was flewn in purely to put an act on (for the purpose of PR, I assume)

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